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Eric Schmidt would be the last person I'd believe on matters related to privacy.

He's well-known for basically claiming that we're not entitled to any privacy ("if you don't want anyone to know blah blah ... ") and for later being a vindictive fool when CNET published some of his personal details found through Google.

Besides, he's not even CEO anymore, why would he know anything about highly confidential dealings with the NSA?




Wow, you're really going to still quote that out of context. Literally the next sentence out of his mouth was a warning that Google is subject to the PATRIOT Act and you should be careful what you use it for:

"But if you really need that kind of privacy, the reality is that search engines, including Google, do retain this information for some time. And it’s important, for example, that we are all subject in the United States to the Patriot Act. It is possible that that information could be made available to the authorities."


What context is added to his original statement by the subsequent sentence that changes its meaning? If anything, it strengthens his point by mentioning that Google retains the information, and that one example of its use is that authorities could request it.


He never claimed you weren't entitled to any privacy. Have you even read or seen his original words?

Would you like Larry Page to detail this for you? or Matt Cutts? Who will you believe?


"If you have something that you don't want anyone to know, maybe you shouldn't be doing it in the first place." https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=A6e7...


My grandparents were telling me that since I was in middle school. Even Ben Franklin had a quote about that: "Three can keep a secret, if two of them are dead". Don't blame the weatherman for telling you that it's raining.


Whether you trust Eric or not has zero to do with if you trust CNet's claim that "The National Security Agency has not obtained direct access to the systems of Apple, Google, Facebook, and other major Internet companies, CNET has learned."

Inferring he is no longer CEO and might not know about these matters is just an informal fallacy and has zero to do with whether or not Google, Facebook, etc. is telling the truth on the matter. FWIW, I believe them when they say they aren't giving direct access to their servers to the government. That doesn't mean they aren't, and I'm willing to listen to any substantial claims that they are.

I don't trust the government to always do the right thing when poking around in our business, but I'm also not going to run around like a chicken with my head cut off when everyone gets their underwear in a knot over leaks like these.


> FWIW, I believe them when they say they aren't giving direct access to their servers to the government.

What have they done to earn your trust so that you believe them?

In matters of espionage and mass surveillance, I expect lying to be the default response for the government and corporate players involved.


Could a possible explanation be that the feds have unauthorized access?


I think it's as simple as a misinterpretation of the technical intel-community jargon being used by NSA.

They're saying PRISM gets them access to Google/Facebook/etc.'s data with no other middleman. That's not always the case; when working with international partners NSA might obtain intel from other (foreign) intelligence agencies, or their HUMINT might report data that is itself hearsay.

So the source/provenance of data is very important for an intelligence agency. NSA is saying this (with PRISM) is the best case as far as the source of intel goes, there is no better primary source.

That still doesn't mean NSA has embedded backdoors or that the company doesn't control access to the data though. Data Access is a separate concept from Data Source in intel.

We can still say that having this kind of access to data is above the capabilities NSA needs to have (it certainly seems ripe for abuse) but it's sounding like the reality is not quite as sinister as Greenwald or WaPo had been led to believe.




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