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Tomorrow's Eurovision final forecasted with Bayesian statistics (mewo2.com)
59 points by mewo2 on May 17, 2013 | hide | past | favorite | 22 comments



It always helps to look at the Eurovision illustrated guide to know what is going on:

http://i.imgur.com/MoTQRRZ.jpg

My call: Ireland will place in the top-5.


My call: Ireland will place in the top-5.

For the record, Ireland came last, 26 out of 26, with about 3 votes in total.


Interesting post, but what I don't understand is what data is being used here? You vaguely mention foreign relations and song quality somewhere in the middle, but you don't elaborate on any metrics or data source?


Eurovision is a summary of european geopolitics told through a limited form of communication called "voting". There's a bit of singing at the start, but that only slightly affects the voting bit.


The data source is the voting records since 1998. It's run through a parametric Bayesian MCMC model. The input data and the code for last year's model, which is pretty similar, are on GitHub: https://github.com/mewo2/eurovision


You are trying to apply logic to an article about Eurovision? The whole thing is, intentionally, a logic free zone.


It actually fits it's own internal logic quite closely. Countries vote overwhelmingly on political grounds, with actual song quality coming in a distance second.


I like it - we built an app for Eurovision where we capture the user sentiment for a particular song. We call it the "worm". Anyway this blog article explains more: https://thelab.o2.com/2013/05/1000-thumbs-up-for-our-eurovis...


Eurovision is biased so why watch it? An older article but still applicable http://www.nature.com/news/2005/050516/full/news050516-13.ht...


Yes, that's why Germany never wins. Or Finland. Or Israel.

So I'm a physicist too and let me tell you: Take these calculations with a grain of salt. It is very easy to underestimate the complexity of what actual people do.

Voting blocks exist and they do skew the results, but they are not strong enough to determine the winner alone, despite what many commentators in the third world of Eurovision (UK, Germany) think. So far, no song has won Eurovision without getting a lot of points from countries outside its alleged voting block. Other biases in the system are also present, such as an unfair advantage for western europeans due to the juries, and the four orders in magnitude difference between vote weight.

If you watch it (or make simulations on it) without the intention of just having some harmless fun, you're doing it wrong.


Germany won in 2010 and 1982. Finland 2006. Israel two times in a row, 1978 and 1979. Again in 1998. Source: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Eurovision_Song_Contest...

Edit: Now I realize the parent was just being sarcastic. Anyway, it's good to set the record straight.

Double edit: Come to think of it, that was a bit of like 'the most hated countries' list. Or maybe the most isolated. Good stuff!


I don't think the voting blocks are political - they're cultural.

A song that gets played on the radio in Britain is likely to get a lot of airplay in Ireland, and the Irish vote will go to the familiar British artist. If someone's on Europa Plus in Moscow every hour, chances are the stations in Ukraine and Latvia and so on will also play them.

It's not down to "we really hate Britain, so let's all gang up and not vote for them," it's down to "we're familiar with the people who are celebrities in our own region of Europe." The Eurosceptic British media would like us to think the rest of Europe dislikes us, hence the "political voting," "let's just leave Eurovision" narrative that comes out in the press every May.



The songs, the choreography, the kitsch, you just can't miss that :)


Well for UK watching it to enjoy Terry Wogans (and now Graham nortons) snarky/camp commentary is the main point.


Norton doesn't drink anywhere near enough whiskey during the event to even touch Wogan's eurovision legacy.


True but he hasn't had the decades of exposure that Terry had


I would rather stab myself in the eyes with a spoon.


I cannot watch the voting for longer than 5 minutes without bellowing in outrage at how blatantly political the whole thing is. They could save time by dispensing with the music entirely and just asking everyone who their favourite countries are.


16/1 on Azerbaijan to win on Betfred, couldn't resist a little punt :) Fingers crossed it comes through!


The only time I bet on Eurovision was when Finland won it. I got 14-1 because I got an early bet on.


Koza Mostra & Agathon Iakovidis (Greece) -- Alcohol is Free is an awesome song. I hope it wins.




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