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Ekranoplan (englishrussia.com)
105 points by kumarski on April 6, 2013 | hide | past | favorite | 35 comments



Saw a documentary on it a while back.

Wings of Russia: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xr8N0Z4Cl0U

In flight https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V8Nu94khHoo


And here's a pretty good clip with James May (of Top Gear) talking about them, and taking a ride in a modern one: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ch2zs-7je_s


Does any who's not just speculating know why these aren't used today for fast overseas transport between cities which aren't too far inland? The relevant wikipedia section is pretty lacking.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ground_effect_vehicle#Advantage...


One of these featured in the recent James Bond book, Devil May Care (decent book, not a patch on the originals).

Ground effect [1] is a really interesting phenomena.

1. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ground_effect_(aircraft)


They also feature in Missile Gap by Charlie Stross (HN cstross):

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Missile_Gap


Also featured briefly in the epilogue of Zero History by William Gibson (Bigend buys one)



Always fascinated by these. Are the large tubes torpedo tubes on top?


The angled ones on the body top yes, but they're not torpedoes they're ramjet anti-ship missiles: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/P-270_Moskit

320kg warhead flying at mach 3. They're comparable to the Harpoon except carry 50% more payload and fly 3 times as fast.

On the sides of the cabin are the engines.


wow 320kg warhead. thats lots of explosive power, and speed... that is a heavy duty missile. Good luck to Phalanx and sea sparrow stopping a a half dozen of these (apparently china bought them)...


That's why we have AEGIS cruisers and destroyers. The entire concept was developed during the cold war specifically to counter this class (large supersonic sea-skimming missiles) of threats.


ITYM "large subsonic sea-skimming missiles". Moskit was specifically designed to punch through US Aegis defenses faster than they could intercept. While things have moved on, there's still some question over whether western naval defense missiles such as Standard or Aster can intercept a Moskit -- especially whatever version the Russians are using, as opposed to selling to Iran and China.

The MD-160 was intended (in the 1980s) to be a can-opener for US carrier battle groups -- able to close at 300 knots in nap of earth, evading detection, then launch six Moskits at once. (By way of comparison a Tu-22M or Tu-95 could only carry one or two Moskits.) Luckily the USSR ran out of money before they could build more than one of the things, which now sits in mothballs (despite various proposals to build more as, e.g., passenger ferries or high speed mobile disaster-relief hospitals).


They totally could have been a can opener. Imagine how many missiles it would take to disable or sink a carrier - short of a nuclear device. Battle groups are too sophisticated (if im not mistaken 2 anti-submarine destroyers). To actually find and takedown a carrier today requires huge effort and firepower.

>While things have moved on, there's still some question over whether western naval defense missiles such as Standard or Aster can intercept a Moskit

In April 2012, the French Navy successfully shot and downed an American GQM-163 Coyote target. The GQM-163 Coyote was simulating a sea-skimming supersonic anti-ship cruise missile traveling at speeds of Mach 2.5 (3000 km/h) with an altitude of less than 5 meters. The Aster 30 missile was fired by the Horizon class frigate Forbin (D620), also present during the shoot was Forbins sister ship Chevalier Paul (D621). The successful shooting represents the first time a European missile defence system has intercepted and destroyed a supersonic, sea-skimming "missile". The trial was described as a "complex operational scenario".

But, 2.5 mach and "test case" with your own hardware, can never know what a Russian missele is programmed to do.


i wonder how performance is on waves and choppy water.


So so. Remember reading an article in a Russian technical journal about it a while back. Apparently that is why one of the prototypes crashed, choppy sea. The pilots pulled up (as that is the typical instinct of a pilot) and that disrupted the ground effect and it crashed.


catastrophic stall !! nose plant into water at 300 km/h!


No, those are jet engines.


No they are they engines!


i wonder how efficient it is


50% more weight and 50% less fuel than cargo plane


The economic problem is that flying near the ocean surface is quite dangerous. You can have swells as high as 50 feet and rogue waves even higher than that. This means that erkranoplan either to be built as sturdy enough boats to wait out storms and incur the economic penalty of waiting, or as capable enough aircraft to be able to fly over them. Either prospect makes them less desirable economically.


Please note that the Lun was not an obligate ground-effect plane: its ceiling was 7500m, though it obviously lost efficiency without ground effect and needed ground effect to take off and land.


I didn't know the Lun had that high a ceiling! There's still a potential problem if it can't land in a storm, however. It might climb above the swells, then run out of fuel at high altitude.


So, dramatically less efficient than modern sea freight, while lacking the flexibility to deliver to inland airports that you get from air freight.

PS: Why did you answer your own question?


Because he found out the answer only after asking the original question, and answered it for anyone else who would have been curious.


exactly !


I would presume he went and looked up the answer, and then decided to share for anyone else asking the same thing.


"From now one there's three ways to do things: the right way, the wrong way and the Max Power way!"

"Isn't that just the wrong way?"

"Yeah but faster"


I saw a documentary about this machine when I was younger, the plan was to use the "Caspian Sea Monster” only to military purposes, as probably anything designed in the URSS back then, mainly for movement of soldiers and tanks across the waters.

EDIT: The documentary provided above by manaskarekar says the same: http://youtu.be/xr8N0Z4Cl0U?t=23m11s


As masklinn notes, the operating ceiling is 7500 meters (for which there is an efficiency hit). So long as the city is not too far inland, this outperforms air freight in all ways on paper.


Well, the thing has no landing gear, so the inland city better have a lake or something.

The 7500 meter figure, is that with cargo or without? Aircraft can typically do pretty amazing things with an empty cargo hold and a few sips of fuel in the tanks.

Honestly, I'm really having trouble seeing this thing as anything but a Soviet propaganda project with no real economic argument for it.

The thick, warm, rich air at sea level is not exactly the best operating environment for turbojets. And if there really was a benefit to harnessing the ground effect that outweighed the negative effects of low altitude, why not use a proper aircraft like an Antonov and just fly it low enough to take advantage?

And I assume the 50%/50% figure above is in relation to contemporary Soviet aircraft? Which where, themselves, thirsty compared to contemporary western aircraft let alone modern aircraft. The thing had 8 (Eight!) turbojets!


I think the implicit question is not "why aren't Soviet-era military jets competing with modern cargo planes?", it's "why isn't a modern version of this competing with modern cargo planes?". (The former is just comparing 1970s apples to 2010s oranges.) In this context, it's reasonable to assume a landing gear and modern engines.

Re: the Antonov, I think the idea is that it needs to be very low to utilize ground effect, and the only way to do this safely is over water with a hull capable of emergency water landings at the very least.


No, it can also go to inland ports by flying short distances over ground at reduced efficiency. Most cities tend to be quite close to coasts.


I think the better comparison is a slower but more efficient aircraft.


In a strange way, I miss the Cold War.




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