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> all genuinely unable to perform moderate physical labor

I know of several people who spend all day sitting at home blogging or chatting on email because they're physically disabled. Yet I've employed multiple people as customer support techs who's job description is "sit at home and chat on email".

Our government is unwilling to tell people that they're free to either work or not work, but if they choose not to work, they won't get paid.

It's a collective action problem: no politician wants to be the first one to be "mean" and tell perfectly competent people that they can't live off of the stolen labor of others.

...so we continue to have "disability" for people who are entirely capable of working, albeit not at wages that they'd prefer to earn.




Right, the old "take it or leave it" proposition. But is it actually better for our society to have all of these people living on the street? Becoming homeless? Going to our emergency rooms for medical care? Or, better yet, forcing them to become dependents on the next generation for food, shelter, and (expensive) medical care?

Realistically, those are the alternatives. A large subset of people have insufficient education or qualifications for a desk job. And note that "being old" is itself likely to disqualify you from a lot of jobs.

Remember, this amounts to $13,000/yr, which hardly qualifies as a sinecure, and health insurance. Do you think they're likely to be able to get a job which includes health insurance? Because otherwise "get a job" is a non-starter.


I'm betting when faced with the prospect of living on the street, or worse, starving to death, these people would figure out a way to cope with their current afflictions.


This is ridiculous considering that a large number of homeless people have a disability, physical or mental. To say that this people are just faking it or overreacting because they don't want to work is really messed up, you are essentially saying you really don't believe those people actually live with a disability.


I know I'm repeating here, but have you met the people living on the street? They aren't starving, thanks to charity, but they aren't that employable. A lot of them lack limbs, or have serious mental health problems that are probably exacerbated by living on the street, and would probably be exacerbated by working in a rough job.

I've tried thinking of jobs they could do, but I have had a hard time coming up with anything except recycling - something like sorting through residential trash picking out the recyclables. As it turns out, that industry is employing a lot of homeless people. And, you have to consider that recycling is subsidized by fees on bottles and cans.

I've also worked at a place were we hired a guy with some mental disability to clean up the cafe. He did OK, but not a really good job. If they offered $2 more an hour, they could have hired someone who'd clean AND fix things, easily saving more than the $4000 extra a year he'd cost.


I'm not really sure what kind of jobs you have in mind--- an employer can basically turn you away for any plausibly-non-discriminatory reason. And the kinds of jobs we're talking about here simply don't provide health insurance. Period.

Even if you think "high blood pressure" isn't a disability, the set we're talking about is older and more likely to require expensive medical care.


Did you have some sort of qualification bar for the people who you paid to "sit at home and chat on email"? Would these people pass it?


Are you willing to hire functionally illiterate people to do tech support? Of course not. It's not just a question of willingness to work; the overlap between people who can do intellectual work for low pay and little supervision is much, much smaller than people who can work physical jobs in a highly supervised environment.


At some point capitalism has to reap what it sowed. Deskilling peasant labor into manual-worker labor was an essential component of capitalist industrialization, but it creates a population that gets totally screwed over by capitalist post-industrialization.


Since the Internet was developed using tax dollars, aren't we also living off of the stolen labor of others?


> perfectly competent people that they can't live off of the stolen labor of others

You mean like whole government, all government employees and everyone that is paid by or subsists on tax money?


Bad analogy. Government employees actually do something (at least nominally) in exchange for the money they get.


And nominally counts? Paying TSA to be groped is somehow beneficial for the society because it's nominally work?

In many cases we'd be better off paying people who currently work for the government to do nothing instead of what they are doing right now.




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