Vim sure, more for tmux for me to be honest. Its quicker to resize panes/select things with the mouse at times.
People that take keyboard only to the extreme strike me as adhering to the letter of the law rather than the intent. Whichever works faster for a person is better.
I think the key is having the option to use the mouse, in addition to normal Vim keyboard shortcuts. If I'm switching back and forth between Vim and a browser, for instance, I have my right hand on the mouse already, and I can scroll with the wheel, select a tmux pane, copy and paste things, etc. very easily. If I didn't have that option, I'd have to switch back to the keyboard. If I have both hands on the keyboard already, I'm probably not going to use the mouse.
> All of that can be done much more efficiently without the mouse:
Surely we don't need to get into this sort of thing here.
If you don't know how to do it without the mouse, then it's more efficient to do it with the mouse. If you don't remember how to do it without the mouse, then it's more efficient to do it with the mouse. If you just like using the mouse better, then ….
Anyway, and perhaps more importantly, it doesn't hurt any of us if anyone else values ease of use (even if it's illusory or temporary!) over efficiency.
Yes, there is. "Best" is a harder subject to tackle, but there's always "better".
di{ is obviously both quicker and more precise than reaching to the mouse, pointing at the beginning of the code block, extending the selection until the end of the code block and hitting backspace.
One may think these keybindings are awkward or hard to remember (I did, at first, they are not) but they are both faster, more efficient and more deterministic by nature. But I may be a control freak. :-)
It's a subjective experience. I, too, prefer to use the keyboard as much as possible but I've also encountered doofuses that mock that position because the mouse is "so convenient" and "there's no way it's faster to use the keyboard entirely". So I guess their better is different from my better.
>All of that can be done much more efficiently without the mouse
No. All this can be made with an extra cognitive overload provided by the use of keyboard shortcuts that makes you think you're doing something useful and/or faster than with the mouse.
Especially if you don't need to have your hand at the keyboard at all times (i.e you're just browsing code and not writing), scrolling with the mouse is way faster.
For you. But you don't get to make that decision for everyone else. Stop trying to impose your value system on others. It's clear you don't like using a mouse. Then don't. Keep using a 1970s keyboard if it suits you. Bon a petite.
Yes, openly criticizing someone's opinion (or in this case, simply stating another opinion) on a public forum is exactly the same as trying to impose my value system on that person.
By the way, you totally missed the "me" in
> Keyboard shortcuts give me precision and efficiency, not speed, and that cognitive overload you talk about is a small price to pay.
which quite clearly means that this is a subjective matter.
Thanks for helping policing the internet: we clearly don't need to debate about anything.
I agree on most points, but there is no way that wacking Ctrl-W +/-/>/< is more pleasant than just moving either your index finger or your thumb a half an inch to use a trackpoint or trackpad and instantly get the window proportions you want.
You can of course make nicer mappings, but even then it isn't as nice.
I also resize often, particularly when using vimdiff, because I often use smaller screens (either because I am watching other things in tmux panes at the same time, or because I am working on my eeepc).
No. I know what the difference is between the two.
And I know that I never use mouse in one or the other. I don't use it for scrolling, I don't use it for pointing and clicking, I don't use for selecting stuff…
REPL? no use for the mouse. htop? no use for the mouse. git/svn/hg? no use for the mouse.
How do you select text then? I'm sure there are ways, but they are certainly not intuitive and I've never bothered to look them up since I don't do this task as often.
Do you mean "select text from whatever is displayed in the terminal" or "select text in Vim"?
I never select or copy anything from the terminal: pbcopy on the Mac OS X and xclip on Linux are what I use to get stuff from the shell into the system clipboard.
I don't think that's what you ask, but in Vim, visual selection is done by hitting v (character-wise), V (line-wise) and Ctrl-v (block-wise) followed by a motion or a text-object: va{, vit and so on.
This can be fixed by editing the keybindings for your shell. Bash by default on OS X? If so Google for ".inputrc", mine looks like this:
# See http://www.reddit.com/r/commandline/comments/kbeoe/you_can_make_readline_and_bash_much_more_user/
"\eOd": backward-word
"\e[5D": backward-word # for OS X
"\eOc": forward-word
"\e[5C": forward-word # for OS X
"\C-f": reverse-search-history
"\C-F": reverse-search-history # for OS X
#Control-F: reverse-search-history
#Control-j: menu-complete
#Control-k: menu-complete-backward
set bell-style none
set completion-ignore-case on
set completion-prefix-display-length 2
set show-all-if-ambiguous on
set show-all-if-unmodified on
I might as well answer seeing as I found this out yesterday. Go to the profile options then the keys tab. Then there is an option for left/right option key acting as normal meta or +esc. While meta sounds correct for this, esc+ was recommended and works.
