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New Vaginal Gel Prevents AIDS Virus Transmission (webmd.com)
19 points by chaostheory on March 5, 2009 | hide | past | favorite | 15 comments



Wow PETA is going to be all over this one. But I'm pretty sure monkeys can't get HIV? It's unique to humans right?


The other day it was released that scientists developed an HIV strain that can infect monkeys.

http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2009/03/090302183124.ht...


Which brings up an issue with this 'gel' in which they tested using SIV and according to the article you posted ...

"...SIV shares only about half of its amino acid sequence with HIV, making it a very imperfect substitute for testing anti-HIV drugs and vaccines."



Let the awkward bedroom conversations commence...


Is this on Hacker News because of the word "Transmission"?


It's interesting because it's a novel approach to solving a problem. Instead of "How do we kill something that's constantly mutating?" this approach is "How can we make it not a problem in the first place?"

Also, it uses "devices" (odd name for a gel...ain't medicine fun?) that are already approved, so the time to market can be greatly reduced.


Have you read the last 3 paragraphs in the article?

What they say essentially is "This is just another yellowish PR puke. You will never hear from us again. Thank you."


I disagree with this sentiment.

There is a huge uphill battle for getting something like this approved for use in humans and a large part of that is proving that the device is safe as well as effective. Firstly, we don't even know that this compound will work against HIV, since they tested it against SIV. Secondly, the gel is something would have to be applied to the vagina very frequently (think: sex workers) without causing problems (ie inflammation) that could make infection more likely. Additionally, the researchers showed that the gel is effective in very controlled settings-- will it remain effective during intercourse? Finally, I am not even sure how you ethically do the controlled study in humans to prove the gel's efficacy. It will have to be designed very carefully, for sure.

I am sure there are many other challenges to bringing this to market that I am not thinking even of, but they will get there, and I don't think this first result is insignificant.


You could ethically do a poorly-controlled study quite easily, once you're fairly sure the gel doesn't make things worse: distribute the gel in a dozen small towns that are paired with other demographically-similar small towns that you aren't operating in, and look at the HIV surveillance results for those towns over the following year. Ideally you can also estimate the use of the gel in the people who became newly infected with HIV (by having their doctors ask them) and in the people who didn't (by sampling for a survey).


Companies can (and regularly do) ethical, well-controlled studies on HIV treatments. It's not new territory.

First, a small-scale phase-I trial is done on otherwise healthy people -- they're just looking for safety, not efficacy. Any indication that the drug makes things worse, or causes significant health problems, and the drug is dead.

Once it's established that the candidate drug doesn't make matters worse, test groups of high-risk individuals are selected from the population: IV drug users, homosexuals with a history of unprotected sex, etc. They're selected for as much diversity/balance of demographic data as possible, then randomly divided into groups by the clinical trial organizer. The participants are given extensive counseling on HIV prevention, condoms, safe sex, etc.

The groups are then used to construct a double-blind trial, where neither the patients nor the physicians are aware of who is given placebos. Outcomes are continuously monitored, and if there's any indication that the drug raises incidence of HIV, the trial is terminated early.


Really? You can give them a placebo and say, "This might reduce your risk of HIV or it might not. Have fun!"

I'm curious because my impression is that most drug trials have been for AIDS treatments (where, perhaps, placebos are more ethically acceptable-- especially before the treatment is known to be better than the placebo) rather than HIV prevention.


Short answer: yes.

I'm not an expert on the ethics, but pretty much every vaccine trial faces this dilemma. The solution is to make sure that the trial participants are fully informed (i.e. they've got to know that they may not be getting a real vaccine), and to make sure that the vaccine in question doesn't make things worse.

If you can do those two things, then in the worst case, the participants are no worse off than if they hadn't participated in the trial at all. But as I said, clinical trials for things like HIV vaccines tend to go above and beyond, and do things like safe-sex counseling for every participant.


Thanks for the insightful post! I knew the procedure was something like this, but I wasn't clear on what the established guidelines were. I am still not certain this is actually ethical.


I left out informed consent -- that's really a key reason why the experiment is ethical. The subjects are informed that they might not get a real vaccine, and they're given the choice to participate.




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