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Apple increased R&D spending by $1 billion in 2012 (arstechnica.com)
42 points by iProject on Nov 1, 2012 | hide | past | favorite | 37 comments



Innovation has nothing to do with how many R&D dollars you have. When Apple came up with the Mac, IBM was spending at least 100 times more on R&D. It's not about money. It's about the people you have, how you're led, and how much you get it. -- Steve Jobs, Fortune, Nov. 9, 1998


Most of Apple's innovations are not publishable as science papers. In contrast, IBMs innovations are routinely of publishable kind. Microsoft, HP, and Google also do a lot of "hard" computer science or engineering work.

Apple's UI and integration innovations not nearly in the same class as those of the others. That's not to say Apple doesn't help society, or that it's not creative. But it's certainly not doing the same type of work as the others. In fact, many of the technologies that Apple has purchased, such as Siri, would not exist without lots of funding into solving the harder problems.


In fact, many of the technologies that Apple has purchased, such as Siri, would not exist without lots of funding into solving the harder problems.

That doesn't mean they wouldn't like to take all the credit for it ;)


You can do better.


IBM do invest in pure science with the expectation that something out there bring a totally new field or technology, Apple does not.

The transistor was invented in one of those large R&D units, Bell Labs from AT&T, maybe it did not brought money as the Mac or the iPhone but it was real innovation, you could always argue that it was all about people but I think without AT&T money it would have appeared much later in history.

EDIT: deleted some unnecessary words.


This quote should go to the top of the page!


Some perspective:

Apple is now spending roughly a third as much as Microsoft does on research despite generating roughly 50% more revenue. Apple spends roughly one half of what Google spends on research, despite having almost three times the revenue!

Microsoft is a bit of a sleeping giant when it comes to innovation. They do a lot of research and a much of it is of a very fundamental nature that is decades from being commercializable. Of course, they've been doing this for long enough that they currently employ the leading experts in some of the stuff that fit that description ten years ago. Corporate politics under Ballmer (e.g. stack ranking) and a strong aversion to disruptive changes in existing products have really reigned MS's innovation in. It will be interesting to see what happens over the next couple of years as MS software settles into new form-factors for the first time in ages (that goes double if Ballmer is shown the door).

Apple is much more focused than Microsoft on immediately commercializable products. In terms of product-bang for research-buck, Apple probably does a lot better than Microsoft. Still all MS needs to do to rock Apple's tree is shake up it's stodgy corporate structure a bit and become more adventurous.

Google, of course, is a huge innovator, but they do tend to be more like Apple in terms of their focus (i.e. More short term than MS). This focus combined with double the research budget does suggest that Google is the most likely company to out-innovate Apple in the short-term. Indeed, we've started to see this as Android has been gradually getting further ahead of iOS in terms of features even if it has not yet caught up in polish.

Apple is like a solid work-horse running down a race-track. Google is more of a thoroughbred, but got stuck in the gate. Now that Google is threatening for the lead, Apple is applying the whip more generously. MS is like a cheetah laying by the side of the track. It could come out of nowhere and change everything or it could just sit their licking its paws.


You can't compare the generated revenue like this. Apple is selling a lot of hardware. Microsoft as well as Google are selling very little hardware.

Thats a bit like comparing the revenue of a real estate agent with the revenue of a developer selling apps on the app store. A developer of a simple app making 200k revenue / year has probably a higher profit than a real estate agent with the same amount of revenue. Selling one house to a client costs you 200k and you get 3% of that… Does this make sense?


Revenue is Vanity, Profit is Sanity


Just pitching in to confirm this. Though not from personal experience, my acquaintances working at the respective companies have assured me that out of Big Three, MS is most heavily invested in research, in spite of the corporate politics.

What I saw as a big problem at MS was a lack of coherent vision to focus that into something tangible. Things are looking better now though.


> Apple is now spending roughly a third as much as Microsoft does on research despite generating roughly 50% more revenue. Apple spends roughly one half of what Google spends on research, despite having almost three times the revenue!

Apple is, however, a company that makes things; in general, you'd expect lower research spending than software companies.


Google, of course, is a huge innovator, but they do tend to be more like Apple in terms of their focus (i.e. More short term than MS).

What about things like self-driving cars and Google Glass? Also I hardly ever notice the fruits of Microsoft's research. So I'm not sure if they're lying in wait or just terrible at executing.


> spending on research and development has grown significantly > to $3.4 billion—an increase of $1 billion over 2011

This can be construed as either a positive or a negative. It's positive if the R&D has a particularly focused scope, resulting in coherent products/technologies that actually hit the market. Often when there's a lack of vision a company (Microsoft is a great example) will produce a plethora of solutions in search of a problem and patent the shit out of everything along the way.

Hopefully this isn't a case of lack of vision where Apple is throwing crap at the wall until they find something that sticks and packing IP in the piggy bank for future lawsuits. Big R&D budgets can be a sign of this. We'll see.


> Often when there's a lack of vision a company (Microsoft is a great example) will produce a plethora of solutions in search of a problem and patent the shit out of everything along the way.

What sort of patents has MS exercised in this fashion? They've shown some amazing tech demos over the past 4-5 years and a lot of them have materialized in to actual products. Even perhaps the biggest 'demo noshow' has been used: Surface (i.e., the surface of 4 years ago).


First, I have a huge respect for Microsoft and use many of their products, so this isn't a brand-love pissing contest...

> What sort of patents has MS exercised in this fashion?

Ask manufacturers of Android phones how Microsoft exercises its patents.

> a lot of them have materialized in to actual products.

http://news.cnet.com/8301-10805_3-20064439-75.html

"A little more than three years after opening Pioneer Studios, a skunkworks operation to develop consumer electronics and experiences, Microsoft has closed the unit"

"The ill-fated Courier tablet--something of a dual-screen tablet that predated Apple's iPad--emerged from Pioneer."

"the group zeroed in on opportunities that offered revenue opportunities north of $100 million a year. And because the group focused on those opportunities so early, it had a 20 percent success rate."


Nathan Myrvhold's patent troll firm that has some ties so MS is probably what was being referred to.


Nathan Myrvhold did not build a patent portfolio out of Microsoft's R&D budget.



I think that MS R&D is valuable for the research community because they do publish in peer reviewed journals.


What kind of R&D is happening at Apple? I did a search with the keyword "research" on their job board and not much interesting turned up except for a few "Data scientist" positions.


As Apple increasingly moves to their own chips (A4, A5, A5X, A6, A6x), I wouldn't be surprised if the bulk of this additional spending were going to SoC design. Keeping pace with Intel's ~6.5B R&D budget can't be cheap.

In any case, this isn't really news, or even good reporting. Look at the rest of the financial statements: SG&A and R&D expenses have actually decreased as a percentage of net sales over the last two years. Apple is big, so the absolute numbers are impressive: but percentage-wise, this isn't even a blip. TFA is cherry-picking numbers and sensationalizing for page views.

See: http://files.shareholder.com/downloads/AAPL/2149923444x0x444...


This move genuinely surprised me. One can certainly argue that Apple's previous focus on the PowerPC was very detrimental in the long run. As you point out, they could not even keep up with IBM let alone Intel. I can't help but wonder if we'll see a repeat performance this time around with ARM and others outpacing the Ax chip line's development speed.


For the volumes in which PowerPC Macs were shipping, it wasn't worth it for IBM or Motorola to devote serious engineering resources. And at the time Apple wasn't the cash fountain it is today.

In terms of units shipped, the iPhone and iPad vastly outstrip the Mac. And those devices repay investment in chip technology by establishing a marketing point of differentiation.

So actually, given the amount of free cashflow Apple has, it makes sense to spend up to a billion on embedded chips but not on desktops, where Intel has a far bigger lead on design and process.


You are completely wrong about PowerPC.

There wasn't an issue at all with keeping up with performance. The problem was that IBM was pushing PowerPC more and more into the server space and Apple needed a roadmap that factored in laptops.


Well if they need people, for ARM soc work, Freescale apparently laid off most of the designers of their i.MX chips in Israel


If it's Apple R&D, you can be sure they keep it under lock and key. Internal security and company secrecy is part of what they do. Hence products hidden under tarps, multiple security cards, etc etc...

That being said, I would say they've built both their CS and EE capabilities to the equal of any other company in the world. Custom silicon, compiler tech in llvm/clang/nitro, the whole OS related stuff, etc.


R&D at Apple can be summed up by the iPhone 5.

They developed a new SoC in the A6, made the screen thinner incorporating the touch sensor which was novel and created new manufacturing processes for building the case.

All of these obviously flow to the other products e.g. iMac, iPad Mini.


I wonder by how much their lawyer budget increased over the past years.


Worthless Apple bashing over subjects that have been beaten in to the ground, as late as today, have little use here and only drag down the conversation


The article and Apple's filing mention the legal costs of litigation.


Estimates of Apple's legal fees for Apple v Samsung (a multi-year case) range from $20m - $100m, with the higher end being if they gave a "performance bonus" for the win.

This fight was personal, though. Apple hired two top firms to litigate the case--it seems like they spared no cost to win.


Apple has broken even on lawyers fees, so it's not exactly a cost center like R&D.


I think it would be comparable to most of their peers. Many companies e.g. Google, Samsung, Oracle, Microsoft, IBM, HP are routinely involved in legal issues.

Google will likely top that list over the next few years as they take over from Microsoft as favourite government whipping boy. Especially now that the FTC just recommended anti-trust investigations over FRAND abuse.


We need to understand companies do two kind of R&D , one is where company try to enhance their current offering to ensure that they remain on the cutting edge of the current lot (Maps, Search, UI based R&D in apple are examples of it), while other side of R&D explore other opportunities in CS and try to break new grounds. These R&D require more budget and are of experimental nature. In result , the first kind of R&D produce better results in terms of money spend but provide a narrow path of innovation while the later kind provide more wider path of innovation but produce less fruite in terms of money spent.


R&D is how we get new ideas from techies, that's good! However Apple should spend 10 times that, MS for instance spent 9billions in R&D just in 2012. You can like the company or not, but reasearch is one way to progress :)


Search?


I think their recent foray into Maps may give them pause.




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