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Freedom of speech =/= freedom from consequences.

You can go all Fred Phelps and tell some marine's family he's in hell now at his funeral and that they are inbred hillbillies that could never have invented the internet but don't expect shock on my part if his dad and brothers decide that would be a good time to beat the shit out of you.




... and that would be illegal for them to do, and for good reason.

The solution to bad speech is not violence. It's more speech.


I never said violence was the solution, straw man much?

My point is that freedom of speech doesn't mean your speech never has negative consequences.

Nonviolent, legal example: you insult a customer and your boss fires you on the spot.

What is the common thread? None of this really has anything to do with freedom of speech in the west. It's a massive red herring that people keep bringing up in this thread.


Interesting, I would actually say that all of society, almost on every country in the world, is governed by violence. Why dont people break the law? Because there are consequences to doing it, and if you don't voluntarily accept the consequences, then you'll be violently forced to take them. All of society actually ultimatly depends on violence as the mode of enforcing order.


> All of society actually ultimatly depends on violence as the mode of enforcing order.

It's funny how for the last 400 years or so all men and women who have been speaking and writing about politics and about how the world should be run in general have been trying to hide Hobbes and his ideas under a very thick rug. But his ideas keep creeping back in. Maybe because he was right?


feed the trolls?


I would expect shock on your part if somebody in another hemisphere attacked and killed a third party because of something that you said. I know I would find that shocking, to put it lightly.


You're totally right. Our skirt was too high, our top was too low, and we wore waaay too much eyeshadow. We were totally asking for it.


> Freedom of speech =/= freedom from consequences.

The next time you use the word 'yellow', I'm going to murder someone.

Just try me. You'll see that actions have consequences.




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