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VC Evolution: Physician, Scale Thyself - Dave McClure (500hats.com)
54 points by playhard on Aug 16, 2012 | hide | past | favorite | 14 comments



I think most investors would agree with this entire post... EXCEPT for one point. I think if you asked the top Valley investors what they thought of the "Scale up and out" point (tl;dr Dave is contending that the valley is getting comparatively less important, geographically speaking), I think they'd almost universally disagree. This is a big bet from Dave/500s. As someone who doesn't necessarily love living in the Valley, I hope he's right. :-)


we are still allocated 50-25-25 valley-restofUS-RestOfWorld, so at the moment 1/2 our deals are in California. but due to prices being somewhat overvalued here, as well as comparatively inexpensive in other places, along with potential for growth in emerging markets, yes we are planting seeds for the future we think will reap benefits 3-5+ years out. we think it's a pretty decent strategy, but only time will tell.


Dave, looking forward to see you soon in Croatia -- good to see that you're practising your own preaching! ;-)


I think this is an excellent summary of the past few years and if you're Dave McClure or one of the other visionaries of this new model then you should run with it.

However, now that great success has been achieved the herd is following. Herds are contrary indicators. Folks who want to be part of the next set of visionaries need to figure out the deficiencies in McClure's model and create new models of VC/entrepreneurship that address those deficiencies just as McClure, pg, and others created new models to address the deficiencies of the old VC models.

This isn't saying that this new model is bad, it's just that it's becoming saturated with people following it and there's definitely a degree of myopia setting in. Again, not a bad thing, it's just human nature to try to replicate success based on past successes. The problem is everyone know nows what works and tries to do the same thing leading to hypercompetition which eliminates real profit opportunities.


agreed, difficult for new entrants to come in at this point... that's also what people told me 2 years ago, and we carved out our niche ok. so not impossible, just challenging.


VC firms are becoming more like top-tier universities and less similar to private equity firms.

Hire luminaries in fields to become mentors. Invest in training, teaching, and mentorship. Create an alumni network of successful people.


Dave does a nice job of articulating some of the forces changing VC. We are a data company that sells data to many of the top VCs so here are some observations based on how we see them work.

First, there are a good # of VCs who are evolving. Not sure they are trying to scale in the way Dave talks about, but they're evolving how they run their business. We do see many using data in very interesting and systematic ways – analyzing industry trends including financing flows & exits, improving their deal flow management practices, understanding investment patterns of peer investors, etc. In many instances, they’re taking data feeds from us and others and vacuuming them into their dealflow management systems to aid in day-to-day operations. That's suggestive of process which again suggests some desire to scale, make things repeatable.

But these investors are not the norm. I think Dave and his team have talked about Moneyball in investing, but a quantitative approach to venture capital may be difficult. Some of this difficulty is driven by data limitations, of course, in terms of sheer quantity vs. something like public markets, but a lot of the reasons that data is less used are structural or behavioral in nature. While there are many reasons data is not used by a lot of VCs, a couple of these reasons are detailed below. Pls note that these are generalizations. As mentioned above, we see and know many VCs taking a very progressive attitude towards the use of data, but they’re the exception and not the rule.

First, VC is a long game – Unlike public markets or baseball where you have an immediate scorecard to tell you how you’re doing, VC doesn’t have that. As a result, the desire/need for data is less clear especially when you won’t know for many years if your investment thesis was correct or crap.

Also, although there is a lot of talk about one's investment thesis, there are again, some firms who stake out a thesis and invest in it and many others who look to invest in similar companies invested in by Union Square or Andreessen Horowitz or Sequoia.

Next, despite investing in the next big thing and often being exposed to cutting edge innovation via their portfolio, the process VCs use to find deals is hopelessly antiquated. This myth of proprietary dealflow has been so ingrained into the VC ethos that using any type of scalable method (or attempting to) is almost anti-thetical to how “VC is supposed to be done.” The secret, of course, is that outside of ~20 firms (I'm being generous), most VCs don’t have real proprietary deal flow. But instead of using data, most would prefer to throw bodies at the problem expecting them to find hidden gems. Or they attend demo days of accelerator programs and the like which offer them no preferential, proprietary access to dealflow.

VCs often view their job as being good "pickers" of companies but the new model suggests that picking is important but ongoing support (recruiting, technical, etc) from investors can help change the outcome of their portfolio companies. Google Ventures adheres to this philosophy.

Again, the above are for the majority of firms. There are some who are quite progressive. And of course, there are new models a la 500 Startups in the micro-VC category which are trying very different things.

Ultimately, given the returns in the industry have been subpar and the decreasing allocations of LP money to the venture capital asset class overall, a rethink of process might be forced upon VCs as doing more of the same with the expectation of a different result defines insanity.

Another great discussion on this can be found on Matt Turck's (Bloomberg Ventures) blog here - http://mattturck.com/2012/07/20/data-driven-venture-capital/ Many of my comments above I left on his post as well.


Are exits not extreme trailing indicators?


Great point. And for early stage investors, I'd say that exit is def a trailing indicator in terms of where to invest. That said, they still care about valuations, multiples, etc on exits as that helps them value their existing portfolio.

But there is of course a spectrum of investors so for some investors, exit activity can be a signal. This will be moreso for growth equity or mid-market PE variety of investors. I should have been clearer about that so apologies for any confusion. Thx.


Dave's interpretation of the YC alumni network is quite interesting to me. I'm curious to those of you who are YC alumni: does it ring true to you? If you're thinking of raising a round, do you talk to YC alumni about it? Are they helpful?

As for his main thesis that VCs don't eat their own dog food, that strikes me as absolutely true. If the VC industry was any other industry, VCs would be trying their best to help a startup disrupt it.


I can only speak for myself, but if a YC or 500 founder I don't know emails me, I'll make helping them in any way I can my top priority.

I am not altruistic by nature, so this is done purely for self-serving reasons:

1. Everyone I've met through YC or 500 is absolutely brilliant at something in their field. I usually end up gaining much more wisdom than I share.

2. Top tier funds like YC or 500 are very selective, so I know anyone I meet with has a nontrivial chance of being one of the world's top entrepreneurs in a few years. It pays to get to know them before they are famous.

In short, meeting with someone endorsed by YC or 500 is guaranteed to be worthwhile. That removes a lot of risk in choosing to invest time to help them.


Not to mention they're generally nice, interesting people. I love the number of people I meet in YC that I would enjoy having a drink with - the ratio has been unmatched anywhere else so far.


ilya, it's great to have folks like you in 500 and YC :)


^ whoa!

a very nice read sir; great insights as always




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