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Again I can't tell if you've quoted three vaguely regulation-y phrases in an attempt to justify generic contempt for government regulation or if you're backing me up with documentary proof that this is a boring sensible thing.

As your document says, it is literally the commercial fishing industry, shipbuilders, shipowners, equipment manufacturers, insurers etc. getting together to swap notes on safety because shipwrecks and deaths are not good for business.

"members serve as representatives of their respective interests, associations, or organizations"

This is not woke communism.






I found a job posting from 2020. I didn't know much about this agency so I looked them up. Turns out I didn't know much about them because this was established in 2018.

One of the interesting bits about the job posting is that, not too surprisingly, there are no salaries:

> All members will serve at their own expense and receive no salary or other compensation from the Federal Government, with the exception that members may be reimbursed for travel and per diem in accordance with Federal Travel Regulations.

Which, to me, can read two ways: altruistic people trying to make the industry better

OR

You won't even be selected to this committee unless you're already wealthy enough to foot the bill yourself and shape policy in a way that advantages ones self.

I don't know which way to read it, but if it wasn't costing anything, cutting it "for cost savings" can't be completely true. Maybe there were other overhead costs, but even saying that those costs are $1M/yr is a rounding error for the national budget.

https://www.federalregister.gov/documents/2020/10/13/2020-22...


This sounds to me like industry bodies such as WG21, TC39, JSR expert groups, etc. A way to get people with full-time jobs in relevant industries together to plan their shared future. I doubt the members of this board are wealthy people joining it in their own capacity. As such, i don't think it makes sense to consider them as either altruistic or self-serving; it's just part of their job.

A very small nitpick but the discretionary budget of the US is far smaller than most realize - in 2024 it was only 1.75 trillion.

And notably, most military spending is discretionary, so the remaining funds for basically all the neat dynamic things government can do is less than a trillion.

A million is of course still a rounding error at e.g. $900 billion, but it adds up really fast, especially when you consider that these are ongoing costs.


What’s the advantage of having this as a government agency vs. just an industry association?

Direct line to the head of the agency, who is in a position to help advance the goals of the members?

Without the direct line, the association has to rely on lobbying/bribing politicians for access.


An advisory counsel may not get paid but they submit findings to the Secretary. There's a long tail where the government becomes more aware of long standing and emergent issues.

Industry associations have no such reach unless individual members make it so, and unofficially at that.




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