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It would be great if it wasn't completely wrong 50% of the time.



Describes my general experience with AI across the board. Copilot, ChatGPT, Claude, etc. It’s like I’m talking to a genius toddler. With ChatGPT losing 5 billion dollars on 3.7B in revenue this is unsustainable. It feels like the dotcom bubble all over again.


This is true, but fairly or unfairly, asking a question to a chat bot feels like “opting in” to the possibility that the answers you get will be hallucinated garbage, in a way that doing a Google search does not. It’s a tough problem for Google to overcome— the fact that they will be held to a higher standard—- but that’s what it is: we have already learned to accept bullshit from LLMs as a fact of life, whereas on the top of Google results it feels like an outrage.


I have been a paying ChatGPT user for awhile. It’s simply a matter of saying “verify that” and it will give you wen citations


Aren’t those citations sometimes entirely made up? Like the lawyers who used it for a case and it cited ones that never happened?


I really do think hallucinated references are a thing of the past. Models will still make things up, but they won't make up references.

ChatGPT with web search does a good job of summarizing content.


No, ChatGPT has had a web search tool for paid users forever. It actually searches the web and you can click on the links


It invents citations too, constantly. You could look up the things it cites, although at that point, what are you actually gaining?

And I’m not saying this makes them useless: I pay for Claude and am a reasonably happy customer, despite the occasional bullshit. But none of that is relevant to my point that the bots get held to a different standard than Google search and I don’t see an easy way for Google to deal with that.


Do you pay for ChatGPT? The paid version of ChatGPT has had a web search tool for ages. It will search the web and give you live links.


ChatGPT has had web search for exactly 58 days. I guess our definitions of 'ages' differ by several orders of magnitude.


The paid version has had web access for at least a year

March 23rd 2023

https://openai.com/index/chatgpt-plugins/

That’s 666 days.

So you are off by over “one order of magnitude”


A plugin? You’re joking.


It’s a “plug in” built into the paid version of ChatGPT, run by default and created by OpenAI.

This isn’t a third party obscure plug in.

All “tools” use a plug in architecture


You're a troll, and I'm done feeding you.


What part is “trolling”? Paid users have been able to use ChatGPT using the built in web browsing plug in for over a year just by saying “please provide citations” or “verify that”.

What you say has been around for a few weeks has literally been around for paid users for over a year


> we have already learned to accept bullshit from LLMs as a fact of life, whereas on the top of Google results it feels like an outrage.

Sort of. Top results for any kind of question that applies to general population - health, lifestyle, etc. - are usually complete bullshit too. It's all pre-AI slop known as content marketing.


> genius toddler

I think it's closer to a well spoken idiot.


A cat who can talk.


What are you using it for?


That's a very pessimistic take. It's right about 50% of the time!


Both of your requirements for correctness are just 50% too high.


The mark of a great product/feature is always when they feel the need to force it on users, because they know that a significant portion of users would switch it off if they could.


The difficulty of verifying the answer isn't-wrong is another important factor. Bad search results are often obvious, but LLM nonsense can have tricky falsehoods.

If a process gives false results half the time, and verifying any result takes half as long as deriving a correct solution yourself... Well, I don't know the limiting sum of the infinite series offhand, but it's a terrible tool.


I find it mostly right 70% of the time.


Which would be great, except for that I found the top google result to be more than 70% relevant to my searches in the past, its a clear downgrade of relevancy.


60% of the time, it works every time.


Yeah the AI summaries are garbage still


Compared to 0% of relevant results in first 10 pages it's an enormous improvement.


Have you seen an example where the AI hits on something that isn't in the first 10 pages of results?


Wait till the monetizing by ads starts




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