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I can't help but think you played this poorly.

It sucks CL isn't going to let you get their data, but I really don't think this workaround is going to change anything (although kudos for the neat Google cache hack from 3taps).

I imagine your development efforts would be better spent by leveraging the small but dedicated following you clearly have. There must be ways to take advantage of it without opening yourself up to more litigation.




You may be right, I'm flying by the seat of my pants here (after having talked to some lawyers). My goal isn't to supplant Craigslist, which is what you seem to be suggesting - that's far too big a task to take on, even with my sites' substantial usage, and not really something I'm personally interested in - I think that classifieds are a mostly-solved problem, with the exception of reputation and security. I think CL can get there, they seem to be hiring devs.


Yea it sucks your dealing with CL and not Facebook or you probably would have been acquired.

I say try and move the traffic to pad. It's certainly a big task, but not "far too big". Pick the region where you have the most significant traffic and start there. I haven't looked deeply into your site at all, but I know you have Garry Tans support, ask him what you need to do to get in YC. Get "Craigslist is the Killer" as a headline on TechCrunch. Piggyback the Padlister browser add-on with other common downloads, then push a popup to users posting apartment listings on craigslist saying "Also list on Padmapper?" There are all sorts of things you can try.

There are hundreds of people on HN that wish they had the traffic you have. Use that momentum before it dies off. http://siteanalytics.compete.com/padmapper.com/


I think if you look up "network effect" in the dictionary, it's going to talk about Craigslist. Good luck overcoming that.

A great strategy here would have been to establish a strong relationship with the people at Craigslist from the beginning. No idea if that was tried or not. Seriously, was the C&D letter the first communication exchanged between Padmapper and CL? What a missed opportunity. I wonder if this entire disaster could have been averted by calling the CL guys up early on and taking them out to lunch. Make friends, send them Christmas cards, then when this disagreement comes up you handle it over a round of golf instead of a C&D letter.


Can someone provide more detail on the cache hack? Surely this is going to be an unreliable way to grab the information, considering the speed the cache is updated at?


Also, I'm pretty sure Google's TOS doesn't allow you to do automatic queries and/or scraping.


Yeah, it's impressive that Google hasn't shut down 3taps...I think Google once shut down my IP's access after just 3 automated queries.




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