On: The myth that you can’t build interactive web apps...

[thunky]

I assume we're still talking about links, forms, and data tables. If the forms are so complex that we need React to manage them then it may be worth trying to simplify them a bit first.

Or if the forms have to sync with the backend then there are other React-less options, for example:

https://htmx.org/examples/value-select/

[lmm → thunky]

> If the forms are so complex that we need React to manage them then it may be worth trying to simplify them a bit first.

Some forms are simple enough that you don't need composition and abstraction, yes, no-one's denying that.

> Or if the forms have to sync with the backend then there are other React-less options, for example:

> https://htmx.org/examples/value-select/

Ok, now try composing that. What happens when you want to nest one of those inside another (i.e. have 3 levels of selection)?

[thunky → lmm]

The forms/inputs are composable on the backend where the state is managed and the html is produced.

Here's the most dynamic form I can think of: https://www.globalgolf.com/golf-clubs/1064148-titleist-tsr2-...

Any input change triggers any/all other inputs to change.

Looks like they send the entire page each action, no React, yet the user experience is much better than the typical competitor site where they've overengineered the whole front end.

Their faceted search is nice too: https://www.globalgolf.com/golf-clubs/used/titleist/fairway-...

Notice how when you add a filter it updates the URL. Breath of fresh air.

And this is way beyond what I had in mind when I read links, forms, and data tables.

[lmm → thunky]

I clicked a couple of inputs and it's now stuck on a loading animation of a glass getting filled with golf balls (been running for about two minutes now). So you've pretty much proven my point.

[thunky → lmm]

Oh no...

Welp guess I'll have to take my business elsewhere. Thanks for the heads up.

Now I'm off to find a golf site that uses React for guaranteed perfection.

[scrollaway → thunky]

As a third party to this conversation, I think it's completely hilarious that you try really hard to make a point that ends up proven wrong, and your answer, rather than actual introspection about your beliefs, is sarcasm and an overall rude response.

This stubbornly stupid mindset is why we have wars.

Edit: I checked the site myself and was able to reproduce the issue mentioned in GP. This is a terrible website.

[thunky → scrollaway]

> you try really hard to make a point that ends up proven wrong

I really don't think the argument for or against React has been settled.

GP focused their mic drop on my example rather than the larger conversation, which missed the point. You're doing the same thing now.

Feel free to add something to the conversation.