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>I think you can do much better.

Not to be a troll, but I really think they cannot. The last "good" product they made was SQL-Server/Exchange/Windows2000, and that was a long time ago.




While I can think of a few other, dotnet and Visual Studio, I think that you're generally correct.

Microsoft, Google and others, have created a culture that are no longer able to produce high quality solutions, because they can't focus on a single vision for their products. Or in some cases the vision does not align with creating good products.

SQL Server is a really good example, it's highly focused, it exists outside the current hype bobble, there's no advertising, no subscription, just a database server and it's a really good product. Exchange sucks, because it been pulled in to new subscription based world, and it's going to suffer for it.


Famously, visual studio gets worse- not better, with time.

https://youtu.be/GC-0tCy4P1U


I would like to retro-actively remove my categorization of Visual Studio. That was an absolutely enjoyable rant and demonstration.


Well, it gets better and worse, with a worsening trend. It's not monotonic, so one can easily point "hey, VS XX is better than VS YY for some XX > YY".


dotnet is a mixed bag of good and bad.

VSCode catch on, but i would rather have Atom instead.

Exchange have beth broken before migrating to cod


> migrating to cod

cod? Call of Duty?


The topic is good software and you mention Visual Studio?


Just judging by the deteriorating state of the Windows OS...

I know these are different divisions, but it does say something about the culture. Windows has always been a dumpster fire, but when it was built by nerds and not managers, it felt more, uh, tolerable.


> but when it was built by nerds and not managers, it felt more, uh, tolerable.

The 'WIN32_LEAN_AND_MEAN' era. Ye. Way more relatable than todays malware riddled joke of an OS. It is too bad since the Windows 7 foundation seems OK.


>> Windows has always been a dumpster fire..

It was always a dumpster fire for security, but it did have a pretty good UI and functionality at say XP-SP3, but now the UX had been thrown on the fire too.


I remember enjoying using Windows 2000/XP but I feel like that's my nostalgia talking. I was customizing a new installation for days, messing with registry keys and obscure settings dialogs. It was never that user-friendly to begin with. After having used MacOS for the last few years, I do not miss the hassle.

To be fair, not a lot of things were user-friendly back then, and Windows was the standard consumer OS for a good reason. It was solidly OKAY.

Using the latest versions of Windows, however, is just infuriating even without any complicated setup.


Absolutely not your nostalgia talking.

I’m as OS agnostic as they come and Win2k was the last true great desktop OS.

I now use FreeBSD almost exclusively, with miscellaneous VM guests.


I grew up with an Apple II, then switched to Windows from 3.11 for Workgroups all the way up to Vista, at which point I switched to desktop Linux (variety of distros, but mostly ended up on Kubuntu in my house and Mint for family). Then it was 8 years of ChromeOS. The past couple of years I've been on MacBooks and, although there are quirks I don't really like, I can't argue with the fact that it mostly "just works", which is really the primary requirement of any operating system.


Still, I would say peak Win2k was faster, cleaner and more no nonsense than modern MacOS. I use macs as well, they are not at all as snappy as windows 2000 was.


I actually REALLY LIKE MacOS, especially workspace/window management when using Rectangles. So much so that I'm trying to recreate it on Linux (I don't want to buy a new Mac when I have a perfectly good gaming desktop to repurpose for dev work).


MacOS is pretty good, can’t argue with you there.


I worked on Windows 2000, thanks! But Windows 7 was better.


With Windows2000 i mean Windows-NT-Line without BS, so yeah XP(after SP2) and Win7 was probably better.


Windows Terminal. VS Code. You clearly are a troll.


Trillion dollar company creates editor and terminal...thanks for proofing my point.


Thanks for proving my point.




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