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Or you are so blinded by big four hate that you cannot apply the same principles to all wannabe big fours.



“FAANG and co. ”

Means Adobe are included, as it says at the very top.

Stopping them buying Figma achieves nothing good. Their monopoly is on print and publishing tools, and no one has been close to them since the actual crime of the acquisition of Macromedia and subsequent killing of Freehand.

Had Figma been bought at the valuation Adobe were offering the founders would, given a few years, be free to leverage their expertise and now vast resources on whatever is more valuable at the time, and now that is lost.


> the founders would, given a few years, be free to leverage their expertise and now vast resources

I couldn’t make heads or tails of your posts here until I read this. “Anti-monopoly action is good, even regarding Adobe, except for the Figma acquisition in particular, which should have happened” doesn’t really make sense unless your starting point is “the desired outcome is that specifically the Figma folks get overnight super rich” and then you work backward to construct an economic reason for that.


It is the wrong anti compete action to enforce against them. The correct thing would be to dismantle their publishing monopoly.

The point is unless you dismantle the core print publishing monopoly Adobe will simply produce a crap Figma, bundle it in Creative Cloud, and Figma will die a slow death. At least if Figma is acquired it gets the chance to do the opposite.

My priority is the widespread availability of high quality products and services, which requires rewarding those that make them, and a competitive marketplace without people engaged in product dumping.


>At least if Figma is acquired it gets the chance to do the opposite.

This makes sense. If Adobe makes a crap Figma copy and Figma dies, that is bad. If Adobe buys Figma, makes it terrible, and then it dies, that is good. In both scenarios Figma is dead, but in the Good one the Figma founders cashed out.

You literally posted that the ideal outcome is that the Figma founders could leverage their newfound wealth to do… something(?) with all their new cash, which has zero to do with Figma as a product or the users that get screwed.


> You literally posted that the ideal outcome is that the Figma founders could leverage their newfound wealth to do… something(?)

You know Signal was funded by a WhatsApp founder? That sort of thing.


> You know Signal was funded by a WhatsApp founder? That sort of thing.

And MySpace Tom is now a travel photographer. This is an equally relevant tidbit of knowledge regarding antitrust and the future of Figma.


That's some forest you're having us see


Adobe already tried to make a crap figma. That failed and they've shut it down. I don't think they'll try again just yet.


> Adobe will simply produce a crap Figma, bundle it in Creative Cloud, and Figma will die a slow death

> My priority is the widespread availability of high quality products and services

Seriously?


As other responses to your original post have pointed out, it's quite likely Adobe would have turned Figma into yet another saas offering, dubiously supported and with onerous bloatware, and consumers would be left high and dry when it is inevitably sunsetted.


They will enshittify regardless of if Adobe buy them or not.

Now though you will certainly suffer because when Figma inevitably goes to hell the only remaining option will be the janky self hosted clone as no one will be able to fund proper competition for it or any replacement.


People can just switch to the actual Adobe version, or use Zeplin.


So when Figma dies because Adobe bundle their worse product with Creative Cloud and it destroys the market for Figma you will be A-OK with it?

(I mean die or get picked off for peanuts by someone like Atlassian or ServiceNow.)

This isn’t abstract, it is exactly what MS Teams has done to that whole segment.


Figma will likely have a lead over Adobe's worse product. But if Adobe's worse product becomes better, then that's good for the consumer as well.




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