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In the Netherlands we call this "TBS" (Ter beschikking staat, translated "available for the state, something like that).

It means you are classified dangerous and not curable. I guess this is the same in England. So there must be something seriously wrong with the guy. Mother doesn't see that obviously.




> I guess this is the same in England. So there must be something seriously wrong with the guy. Mother doesn't see that obviously.

The indefinite sentences were abolished in 2012 because they were being overused. They just didn't retroactively eliminate the existing sentences and the Parole Board has taken forever to sort through the problem.

In 2016 the head of the Parole Board said they wanted to reduce the number of IPP sentences to 1,500 by 2020 [1], but you know... Tories happened.

[1] https://www.gov.uk/government/news/statement-on-ipp-prisoner...


The reason is that resentencing people is a low priority when the justice system is falling apart in so many other ways.

The authorities also don't want to be held to account for traumatising these people and any crimes they subsequently commit. 12 years is a murder tier stint, so pretty much all of them should just be released. However releasing a lot of dangerous people looks bad even if it's morally justified.


> It means you are classified dangerous and not curable

No it doesn't. It means you've got some sort of mental issue. Curable or not. TBS is more focused on treating the underlying issue instead of simple punishment or rehabilitation.


No, that's a different tihng. TBS comes with a psychiatric diagnosis, and is intended for psychiatric treatment. There is no such diagnosis or treatment with IPP.

TBS also doesn't mean you're "incurable" That's just flat-out wrong. The entire point of TBS is to treat (i.e. cure) people.

Everything about your comment is wrong. There's a reason IPP got shot down for human rights violations and TBS hasn't been: because it's fundamentally different.


I think TBS is a bit different as it has to come with a psychiatric evaluation. It's meant specifically for mentally unstable people as a form to coerce them into treatment.


the sentence in the article "The jail terms were scrapped in 2012 amid human rights concerns, but not retrospectively – leaving almost 3,000 people languishing in prison with no release date." tells me that there is not an amount of danger which justifies this behavior from the state. if we have been able to live without this law since 2012, then there are other answers available which do not include this treatment.




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