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how are you renewing the LE certificate if the domain is resolving to an internal ip? this seems like a big hoop to jump through.



LE can use DNS itself as the challenge. It works something like:

- You manage the mmd45.me domain (through a dns provider, say dnsimple)

- You ask LE for a cert for imap.lan.mmd45.me (an address that doesn’t exist, but you use in /etc/hosts or something internally. Or maybe an internal dns server like a pihole or something. The rest of the internet doesn’t see this address)

- LE says “prove you own lan.mmd45.me by creating a TXT record containing <random-nonce> inside _acme-challenge.lan.mmd45.me”

- Certbot integrates with your DNS provider to create said TXT record

- LE sees the TXT record and determines you are the owner, and signs your cert. At this point certbot can just delete _acme-challenge.lan.mmd45.me because it did its job.

At no point does mail.lan.mmd45.me need to be externally resolvable to any address for this to work.


LE doesn't need any A or AAAA record. The domain must exist in the DNS and you must be able to create records in the domain.

If you're using internet mail you have a domain, so you can do this. The time for self-signed certificates has passed.


A pinned self cert is still more secure than this because you don’t have to trust any CAs.

> The time for self-signed certificates has passed.

This is bad blanket advice and very much depends on use-case.


Software is a collective. A billion or so people get the same software. The time for self-signed certs has passed because supporting that in software for a billion people opens up some of that billion to attack.

The few people who understand the niceties of certs can create a private CA, trust that, and use that CA to sign a regular cert. Doing that is nontrivial, but it doesn't put other people at risk.





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