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No, I'm saying that's a false dichotomy.

Your senses get saturated by lies indistinguishable from reality regardless of where they come from. The price is already a factor of two from the income from a single impression of a paid advert, and is likely to decline further, and that's the market price for marginally influencing people.

If we as a species don't agree to make sure AI must never ever be developed in this manner, and to actually enforce that, then everyone will be living in someone's fantasy world.

Normal people won't have any choice, or control, regardless. Not even over which fantasy, as it gets created specifically for them.




Your dreams of AI aligment with transnational and corpocryptofacist elements are already dead. Even if you pass laws, they'll be ignored, and you'll lose to those groups who ignore these laws (which is already how the status quo you worship operates anyway). I already know what tech enables this and I'm not telling you. AI alignment fanatics = "im afraid of status quo power structures being disrupted that give me a false sense of safety/financial security". There is no such thing as "we as a species" agreeing on anything. Utopian fantasy mixed with naive megalomania. Your own fantasy world is that there will be some magical agreement to stop technological/evolutionary progress. Fortunately, AI destroys the value of marketing online. And the value of mass gathering data. So all the techbro mass data gathering/social engineering projects inevitably fail. This is of course why you want "alignment". You want to maintain the ability to mass social engineer while the "normal people" as you call them, lack this power. Same old neoliberal crap.

What we will get instead is AI mediated warfare. Actually we are already there, have been there for at least 10 years, and there is nothing you can do to stop that. Other than turning off the internet.


Your comment is projecting quite heavily. Took me a while to even understand what you're — I'd describe that style as "ranting" — about, but I think I see the core of your mistake:

> This is of course why you want "alignment".

There's around 700 different kinds of AI risk: https://airisk.mit.edu/

I want alignment so the robots don't literally kill everyone.

I want alignment so the chatbots don't convince us to cultivate botulism toxin in our home-made food.

I want alignment so the search engines are not corrupted by advertising.

I want alignment so random people on the street don't spontaneously assault me because their AI "friend" convinced them that my T-shirt is The Mark of The Beast as foretold in Revelations.

I want alignment with the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth. Not my beliefs, the actual real truth. Even the hard truths, the ones we may not want to be told but which we are nevertheless better off for knowing — and if that isn't possible, at least to aim for that rather than to throw up our hands and say that because someone else is lying that makes it OK for us to do so as well.

> You want to maintain the ability to mass social engineer while the "normal people" as you call them, lack this power. Same old neoliberal crap.

I count myself as a "normal person" for these purposes.

I'm closer to fully "fully automated luxury space communism" than anything else. Can only get that if the AI is the angel of our better nature, not the exploit optimiser of capitalism (amongst other things). The word "neoliberal" is as much of a buzzword as "woke", with the people using it as an insult counting it as everything they don't like rather than it having a common consensus definition.




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