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What does cooping at AMD mean, does it mean a contract job? What is a 80186 clone group (a division at AMD designing 80186 clone CPUs, or a hobby group of 80186 PC enthusiasts?)

But these machines are from 1988, wouldn't one be designing 386 or even 486 clones at that time?




Co-op is a term used by some universities for alternating a work semester at a company with school semester in class in the USA for 2nd/3rd/4th year students. We were paid something like 10-15 an hour which was much better than most non professional work jobs. The group I was in was making money off of refinements and continual production of AMD 80186 chips for drop in replacements for Intel 80186 at a lower cost. The group adjacent to mine was working on reverse engineering 386 clone design from a black box approach (using only public info like the Intel handbook on 386 which I remember they were all reading like it was the bible) and was at a pretty early stage, every one on that team was very senior and IIRC most had PhDs in Electrical Engineering so I was of course very underqualified for that.


Why tho? AMD had full license and even AM386 shipped with 1:1 copy of Intel microcode ripped directly from reverse engineered die shots.


Off the top of my head without looking at reference materials - there were a lot of legal issues going on at the time involving AMD/Intel disputes and AMD was on the ropes back then. The 386 project was highly contentious with Intel, I think they started the project as a worse case scenario in the licensing deal - if Intel forbade 386 from the initial contract, AMD could show proof of work on an entirely ground up project to replicate the 386 - the guys on the team were up against a rock and a hard place and were determined but not always optimistic. Also, there was some grumbling when I started because shortly before I started they had some layoffs. AMD was on the brink. This is off of my memory from 25 years ago and I was a pretty lowly coop and only heard this from meals and shared open workspace with the other project.

edit: I looked it up and there was a dispute if the license applied until 1991 for the 386.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Am386


A co-op is more or less a fancier/better/longer term internship.


Thanks. In BrEn it means something radically different: a worker's cooperative.


It can mean that too here in the USA, though I only have experience with the University co-op work thing.


Never ever heard that usage in over half a century. I do not think we ever use it for that.




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