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I applaud your dedication. 2015 is almost ten years ago, this ain’t work for ever and at some all used vehicles that are in a dependable condition will be 2015 or newer. What then, if telemetry can’t be disabled by the user?



I'm old enough that I seriously doubt the world will run out of suitable used cars within my lifetime. My current car is from 2005 and still runs like new.

But if that day comes, I'll figure out how to disable the radio. If that's not possible, then I'll stop owning a car.


I hope you’re right :)


Do you recognize the drastic changes the world would have to see to prevent a dedicated individual from driving what they want in any half-way liberal legal environment?

The US, for example, allows one to build a kit car totally by ones-self, and the waitlist for VIN certification is fairly short. If you want to shortcut the VIN certification you can build a car on a car that has at least 30% of the original frame in tact and piggy-back onto that VIN number with proper certification. If that frame is older than the mid 70s, go hog-wild; you can operate it with a coal engine if you want to.

If you're a 'dedicated individual' that is concerned with having a modern car that is engineered well for safety's sake, then go buy a kit from the hundreds of companies that do nothing but engineering work.

If you're afraid that there will be electrification mandates, no worries -- there are hundreds of startups focused on the conversion of existing ICEs into EVs.

What I'm trying to say : a world locked down to prevent all forms of vehicular autonomy is a lot different than the one we exist in today; it's not something easily predictable to assume when that will end, given the many different venues one can explore to express vehicular autonomy and individualistic choice.


I ripped my GPS out of the head unit of a 2020 Toyota Corolla. Still alive to tell the tale.


Your GPS/radio head unit is likely not at all the one reporting data maliciously to OEM/Vendor integrators etc. GPS is an open standard at least until the US Military says "this is no longer open."

Auto OEMs as a rule have more "data points" for inference than any other hardware platform/software integration. IE; actions you take in the car and the info gleamed from those actions ar more valuable to marketers than data from your cell phone. None of this needs a gps signal, there are dozens of speed,time,weight,weather,delta, sensors..

Ford for example can brag that it, more than any other manufacturer on the planet, knows exactly how often you go to gas station X from location Y, if you get gas, and where you go after. They can tell where you look, how much you weigh, your common routine, even your contacts PID. You type of "personality" can be determined trivially (IE buying/travel habits).

Your vehicle is 100 percent complicent in building a marketing/safety profile for you. Is this^ even "bad"? I think so. But I am not an expert and have yet to have an issue with it in my life.




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