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Spudguns: Potato Cannon Guide (spudguns.org)
200 points by cenazoic 5 months ago | hide | past | favorite | 146 comments



I used to think these were really cool and harmless fun as a teenager. Then at college, some guys I knew made one (and they weren’t dumb at all, pretty competent people). They were firing it near where people were sitting on the lawn and it suddenly shattered, sending sharp jagged pieces of PVC flying. One of the pieces hit a girl sitting nearby and gave her a nasty cut near her eye. Her face was covered in blood and it was totally horrific for her and everyone else. It made me realize that the fun of the activity was just significantly outweighed by the possible safety downside. It could have been so much worse, too— she could have been blinded instead of just gotten a nasty scar on her face.


These sorts of failures are usually caused by people constructing the potato cannon out of thinner schedule 40 PVC (usually colored white). If you use schedule 80 PVC (which tends to be dark gray) or ABS (which deforms instead of shattering), the risk is negligible.

This is also why I prefer pneumatic cannons to combustion. Since there's not a quick spike in pressure from a combustion reaction, the maximum pressure that needs to be contained is lower (and you can measure it with a gauge as you're pumping the air tank up). Also if you make the air tank big enough, the pressure behind the projectile stays high for longer, so you tend to get higher velocities.

When I was in high school I made a potato cannon, played around with it in the woods with some friends, and then told my parents about it. My mom wasn't too happy, but my dad took it as a challenge. He built an even more powerful pneumatic version with a tripod, sights, and a solenoid trigger mechanism. The whole family loved it. I used some extra PVC pipe to make molds for cement slugs. With a little paper wadding to get a good seal, they'd go fast enough to embed themselves a couple feet into the side of a hill. It was spectacular.


Yea, Home Depot PVC doesn't belong anywhere near compressed air. I knew a guy who wanted to outfit his garage with several compressed air drops for air tools and used plain old white PVC. Big mistake which he realized when one of the fittings shattered and launched a metal quick-disconnect through the garage door and out into the street. Thankfully nobody was in the line of fire. Please don't use PVC for air under pressure.


Id love to make more potato cannons but my main issue is exactly this. I have no idea what the pressures are, what materials would work, etc. It's all folklore and bravery


Not really.. you can find standard ratings for pipes all over the place. I just ran air lines in my garage and it was fairly simple for me to get online and see that I needed type m copper based on the pressure I'm at. Wasn't cheap, but neither is aluminum pipe and now i have a nice reel in the center of the garage. There's a bit more to calculating the pressure when exploding hairspray in an enclosed vessel, but I'd be willing to bet just as easy information to find.


I worked in a PCB shop that had a network of 1 1/2" PVC pipe for compressed air. When Tees failed we would lose production for the remainder of the day. We finally replaced the entire network with type M copper.


Maybe wrap it in a ton of duct tape, then it can't shatter too dangerously.


Depending on the circumstances, that can also make it a more powerful bomb.


what if you house it in a pool of acid, and place it near a baby for safety


Hrm :-/ okay, please disregard.


Again - neither of these are much more than moderately held opinions.


That strengthening a pressure vessel with tape might raise the pressure at which it fails? Does that really need a citation?

One example: https://www.cbsnews.com/news/texas-teen-gravely-injured-by-h...


Well there's two of many possible outcomes, which are covered under your "depending on the circumstances", which make your comment universally true, and therefore not so informative:

1. We strengthen the pressure vessel enough so that it gives way at higher pressure, making a "stronger bomb"

2. We strengthen the pressure vessel enough so that it doesn't give way, making it not a bomb at all.

It's not at all clear if the duct tape will do 1 or 2 or something else, and this first-order logic / first-impressions design doesn't smell to me like a rigorous solution.


So I'm aware that wrapping a pressure vessel in tape has the possibility of making things worse.

I thought, for safety reasons, it was worth replying to the comment suggesting to wrap "a ton of" tape around it. At the time I replied there were no other replies.

Not trying to win a debate with you. Just trying to share that it could be a bad idea. Rather than just assuming that making the shards less sharp or fragmented was the only possible outcome.


Fair!

You're replying reasonably and I'm dragging that into my top-level comment about rigor. Impedance mismatch.


Then use steel or aluminum pipe.


Home Depot sells many grades of PVC and pipe, it's up to the buyer to select the grade they need for their application.

This is something I would suggest buyers do at every store they shop at.


Not leaving it outdoors probably helps also. PVC in the sun gets brittle.


> This is also why I prefer pneumatic cannons to combustion

Strange, since combustion based cannons tend to reach about 30 to 40 psi at most, while pneumatic easily can reach 100 psi.


Ours in highschool was gas powered. We worked out the ratio for a good burn and found a similarly sized metal scoop. Once loaded we'd shake it until the gasoline was fully vaporized.

It was terrifyingly loud. We'd wrap stones in duct tape, spray them with oil, then shoot them through sheet metal. Put a few through some old steel chairs. Tore the cover off some golf balls.

I suspect it may have reached higher pressures than my bike tires, but I never really considered trying to measure it.


That sounds pretty terrifying!


Cite?

Butane and propane can easily produce > 100 psi when used in engines, and are commonly used as replacement for gasoline and other hydrocarbons in generators and fork lifts to do just that.

In a confined enclosure (potato gets stuck or the like), it’s a pipe bomb.


by engines I'm assuming you mean something with a stroking piston which is going to reduce the total volume by somewhere from 4:1 to 13:1, so that's going to increase major pis increases by itself even before explosion. You don't have compression with butane into a potato gun, just the efffects of the rapid combustion. So it wouldn't really be a fair comparison.


Here is a nice declassified paper on using butane and propane in unconfined fuel air explosives. [https://apps.dtic.mil/sti/tr/pdf/ADA084367.pdf]

Quite effectively too.

There is also some nice research on proper high explosive detonation of similar mixes when using proper detonators.

It requires rather extreme amount of willful ignorance to think lighting a mixture of oxygen and butane or propane inside a enclosed space is only going to be 30-40 psi maximum, instead of ‘thank god it only hit that maybe because the potato moved’.

[https://colab.ws/articles/10.1134/s0010508211010114]

There was a good research paper I found that had a quantified set of numbers, but it required paying for it. Meh.

Still waiting for that cite.


You're asking for citations when your whole premise is based on a wet potato getting stuck in a smooth plastic pipe. And then the potato being a durable enough seal to create a bomb. That's goofy as hell.


No. I’m asking for citations when your assertion is that flammable hydrocarbons mixed with oxygen in an enclosed container and ignited can not exceed 30-40 psi, or the bursting force of said (often brittle) plastic enclosed container. Especially since garden variety Schedule 40 PVC in the sizes we’re talking about are rated (non-shock) for over 180 PSI and many into the 200+ PSI range but there are easy to find videos of them bursting in spud guns.

[https://parts.spearsmfg.com/sourcebook/SCH40TECH_40WHTPIPE-1...]

And as noted in the prior declassified paper, shock fronts from these mixtures can easily move in excess of 280 meters/second even unconfined in air, with the right mixes.

Goofy? Perhaps. Life altering? Perhaps [https://youtu.be/KqstP9ics2A?si=Omtp8N7xPW91A5TU] - and yes, while many of those failures in the video are clearly due to improper glued joints (which is a big hint at the pressures involved, and way better than other kinds of failures!), many also involve the PVC shattering. Several in the first few minutes, actually.

I made a ton of potato guns as a kid, btw. Typically using propane. But I always respected the forces involved, because I wanted to not lose an eye, kill anyone, etc.

Looks like some enterprising MIT alumni + the air force academy did some internal ballistics reseaerch [https://arxiv.org/pdf/1305.0966].

Note - I highly recommend against using acetylene, which they did for some of the tests, as it will perform a proper super-sonic detonation [https://www.icheme.org/media/10611/iv-paper-08.pdf] under the right conditions and turn your potato cannon into an IED even if the projectile moves, or potentially even with no projectile at all. Per that paper - “It appears that Acetylene is unique in that it will propagate a detonation at initial pressures below those of which it is capable of sustaining deflagration”. I would have checked this paper which even more directly addresses the topic [https://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/BF02671917] (because I love this kind of thing, obviously), but $40. :(

So looks like as long as everything goes well, they are in the approximate range of 20 psi while driving the projectile, except for acetylene which hit a hair under 90 psi. They used stoichiometrically ‘perfect’ mixes.

My guess is the failures in the videos (and anecdotally) were driven by too lean fuel mixtures, easy to do in some conditions. But this paper [https://www.scientificbulletin.upb.ro/rev_docs_arhiva/full14...] seems to indicate the opposite, and also pressures >= 120 PSI. So I don’t know.

I also saw MAPP gas apparently being used in one of them too (the yellow cylinder attached to a plumbing torch), which would also be unwise.


> You don't have compression with butane into a potato gun

Maybe not yours, but we tapped ours. This held the potato near the chamber after compressing the gasoline-air mix. I have no idea how well it held, but if you didn't seat the potato into the threads it would push the broom back out. You'd hear a poor seal leaking.


I just want to say, this is gloriously crazy. Kudos.


How do you know the risk is negligible?


Because it will fail earlier and less dramatically compared to a sudden increase which can explode violently.


With a good sharp chunk you can potentially nick someones artery.

We had a couple incidents and nobody got really hurt, but later I came to the same feeling of 'fun, but no thanks'


The potato itself has enough energy to cross several football fields.

That's enough to possibly kill someone if it hits their chest.


I fooled around with these too, 20+ years ago... this happened a few times to me. I took to wrapping them with a towel + gaffa tape as mitigation. The things you do as a kid!


I think the key is using them in an open space away from people and where you can have some measure of safety. My friends would use theirs in an uninhabited valley off a ridge.


Yes but even then the person firing it is at risk. At a minimum you should use serious eye and face protection.


When my friends and I made these 20 years ago we leaned into the "cannon" vibe and mounted them on sawhorses held down with sandbags, then the ignition was on a wire so you could step back to fire it. At the time I think it was... not about safety so much as it just seemed cool to do it like that, but I guess that's one way not to actually be holding the thing while it fires.


Notably, cannons also used to sometimes explode randomly when fired.


Oww. We were a bit more mythbusters, but still very unappreciative of the forces we were playing with.

When I was a kid, my uncle absolutely shredded his kids’ plastic playplace (his kids, my cousins, were accomplices rather than victims). But those holes were 6 inches circular and even broke some chunks of brick wall (less impressive).

I evolved it to pneumatic with my friends, and frankly that scared the crap out of us more. In retrospect, must have felt sort of like the uneasiness of being on the Titan. At any moment pressure could have instantly exploded us. Eyes, guts, something bad.

However, it was totally kosher! ;p We had denim jeans and duct tape around the combustion/compression chamber, like the internet said.

I think my friend claimed he smoked banana peel from the Anarchist’s Cookbook around the same time. True science, really.

(Haha… it was scary as hell, and we stopped after a few weeks of terrifying afterschool experiments. The banana kid also claimed he was making a nuclear weapon after stealing plutonium from “this science guy’s house”)

PS: none of us ever wore safety glasses. Dumb luck, emphasis on dumb.


Maybe don’t stand next to others when firing it… so yes they were dumb. But more so the general mentality of “a bad thing could happen so lets never do it” is sad to me.


As I kid we had die cast spud guns that had a barrel width of maybe half a centimeter - pretty harmless.

But today of course it would be a problem cause its guns and a problem because its a waste of food.


Quit making up problems to bitch about.


I know this isn’t HN decorum but it just makes comments like these even funnier. Thanks for saying it lol


I was doing ecological work in a lake when we came under spudgun fire. Someone (kids?) began slowly firing from a distant treeline on the side of one of the hills that surrounded the lake. I knew the distinctive thump, so I was looking out for the first splash, which ended up being much closer than I expected it to be! I had assumed they would be aiming somewhere else. I informed my shipmates that we were under attack and we rowed to shore as fast as possible. They got in about three or four shots, but we escaped injury and no one was ever caught.


I wonder if most of the dangerous levels of kinetic energy in the potato would have bled off from air resistance though by the time it reached your ship. Sort of like how you can shoot a shotgun at animals that are way off in the distance without the BBs being able to penetrate skin because they've bled off too much energy to air resistance.


A potato likely has a pretty good ballistic co-efficient due to its mass to surface area ratio. It would be even better if it was denser of course, but if a nice green one, it’s still pretty dense.

That’s why artillery can hit 20-30 miles away even though muzzle velocities are roughly the same as a rifle, which would be lucky to go a couple miles even if fired at the same angle.


Throw a potato as high up in the air as you can, and catch it with your face.


And there was no second part with sneaking through the forest, surrounding and confronting them?

Maybe you had more important things to do, but this is what I would have done. Playing artillery on humans is not a prank I think.


PSI rating on your spudgun, shouldnot be overlooked

e.g. https://www.klkntv.com/one-man-injured-after-potato-gun-expl... [2017]

[ALSO] dont exceed rated pressure, and know that constant pressure is different than repeated shocks

https://www.engineersedge.com/fluid_flow/steel-pipe-pressure...

https://www.engineeringtoolbox.com/pvc-cpvc-pipes-pressures-...


30 years ago I was a teenager a friend of mine had a giant plot of empty land in his family, and so we'd go out there and do stupid teenager things things like playing with fireworks and building and shooting potato cannons.

We'd discovered dry ice bombs alongside internet plans for potato cannons, and in our infinite wisdom we tried to build a dry ice bomb powered potato cannon. In our mind the sudden increase of air pressure would've sent the payload going ridiculously far.

Thankfully when we went to use it the first time, we were smart enough to run as far as we could before it went off. It was far far more pressure than the pipe could handle and it sent little bits of PVC shrapnel flying everywhere.


The rated pressure is for water, and the rating assumes the pipe is in perfect condition. And no, constant vs shock pressure doesn't make it safer.

If you nick it, drop it on something, etc - the rating no longer applies.

Over the years numerous shops have used PVC pipe "because the compressor only goes up to 100psi and the pipe says 250", that sort of thing...and had the pipework explode and injure/kill people.

~100 psi in a PVC pipe is enough to tear through a sheet of drywall and then fatally injure someone.


Has anyone tried supplementing the hairspray with the sort of canned oxygen you can find at ski resorts?


Best my pals and I ever did was engine starter fluid and like 40PSI of air with a duct tape diaphragm to hold the air in. We shot old D batteries wrapped in duct tape out of it. Shot it at a stop sign once and it made a perfect hole with sign peeled back like shooting BB guns at a coke can. The whole thing was stupidly dangerous.


Not a traditional spud gun, but my father (who has been a welder for his whole life) built a couple differently sized cannons out of aluminum (one fired wine corks and the other was about tennis ball-sized). We used acetylene gas. Honestly kind of terrifying and incredibly dangerous, not recommended. They only come out on independence day.


We built one using acetylene as the source gas generated from calcium carbide and water, ignited by a spark gap from an electric fence. The combustion chamber was a 40 gallon oil drum and the barrel was a 20’ scaffold pole.

Round 1 worked a treat, firing a champagne cork sized wooden baton far away into the distance.

Round 2 was a disaster. Calcium carbide needs water to react into acetylene. Our method involved putting a few pints of water into the oil drum (on its side), then a few rocks of calcium carbide, then the igniter, and finally the scaffold pole resting under it’s own weight in the small, off centre oil drum aperture.

On this second round the end of the pole was accidentally submerged in the puddle and the wooden baton got jammed. This meant the explosion forced water up the gun barrel — a pole just resting there in the mouth of the oil drum — launching the entire pole down the garden. It must have gone a good 50 feet or so. This is a steel javelin weighing a good 30lbs.

Round 3 ruptured the oil drum. It sounded like a bomb going off.



I was surprised to see hairspray as the recommended fuel, since that what we used growing up 30 years ago, with no particular engineering expertise. I assumed there would be more advanced options now (if for no other reason, because hairspray smells!)


Aren't many hairsprays just propane? I think its just a convenient option, otherwise you need a tank and/or a hose of something else


I find the 99% isopropyl alcohol from the pharmacy works well, and it's cheap too. Also, I'd get funny looks buying hairspray, when I have very little hair.


Thats how you make a bomb. With pure oxygen you can add /much/ more fuel in, and it detonates rather than deflagrates.

Search on youtube for some hydrogeh/oxygen baloon explosions to see what I mean.


Friends and I used MAPP gas mixed with oxygen...had a pretty good kick but you were really just rolling the dice on the ratio


The way to do this with oxy-fuel is to light the torch, adjust to a neutral flame, then extinguish the flame. The resulting gas coming out of the torch should be pretty close to stoichometric, and should be treated with extreme care.


I remember the first time we fired one of these. It was dusk and my brothers and I had rigged a remote igniter, and I was elected to hold the cannon itself. We loaded it up, sprayed hairspray in and my brother pushed the igniter.

None of us had any idea of how powerful one of these was! The flame that came out the front was over a foot long. We thought maybe the potato would reach the back fence of our yard, but it was launched into oblivion. Luckily our house backed up onto a nature preserve, so at least no-one had a surprise potato land on them.

We had much fun that summer iterating on designs and trying every type of various projectile we could find.


I remember shooting a potato into a wall, hoping to laugh at the potato becoming mush. There was no mush. Only potato dust.


Same with an apple, only a wet patch on that steel door. Bouncing potatoes off the surface of a lake was fun, too.


you have to freeze the potato for more "lolz"


If you freeze it, it won't cut to the diameter of the barrel.


Use paper towel as wadding


you make a number of spud pellets, you freeze them after


I like how when someone offered an idea that turns a mildly dangerous toy into a decidedly lethal weapon, rather than dissuade others of the terrible notion we went into problem solving mode to increase reliability, quality, and to minimize the potential hassles inherent with the lethal solution.


Schedule 80 pvc is pricey. I found that a 1" barrel accepted s that had been wrapped in a bit of duct tape to form a snug seal.....


You probably started a small field of potatoes if it stayed mostly intact!


You get better range if you swap out the hairspray for black power, and the barrel for a metal pipe.


I made few of these when I was a kid. My pièce de résistance was a 10' 'coaxial piston launcher'. It scared the bejeezus out of most people... I usually shot ice slugs, which would throw a hole in a piece of plywood at 50 psi.

A golf ball with a chipped off shell fits perfectly in a 2" PVC barrel. The problem with chipping off the shell (along with an unrifled barrel) is that it makes it like a knuckleball - you have no idea where it's going to go. They would curve violently in any direction. One of the few times I shot one of these, it curved directly upwards, and I'm guessing landed a half a mile or so away. Hopefully it didn't hit anyone or anything. That was the last time I shot it.


The links on the 404 page bought me to some very nostalgic feeling pages. Very late-90s aesthetic. An MP3 directory index. A webcam with a frame that hasn't refreshed since 2009. I miss the old internet.


So many dead links... so many links going to AOL or CNN or domain-squatters. Heck a lot of links on the first page are empty.

On the flip side, like so many others here, I had a friend who went overboard with his. Automatic reloading systems, piezo trigger so you did not need lighters and such, scopes, automatic cutting devices for the spuds. He tore it apart after a spud went through both sides of a car (it was a junk car he was intending to shoot) and ended up "who knows where" on the other side.


These are so fun and easy to get started, but quite challenging to tune and make optimal. The differences between "i just glued a tube together and hair sprayed it a bunch" and having optimal chamber/barrel ratios with a proper air/fuel mix are incredible to see!


In the summer of 2004 I was enjoying the mountainous view and ample sun of Kandahar, Afghanistan. It was there, eating one of my allotted MREs, that I noticed the MRE heater was printed in large letters "Do not expose to flame." Being a bored jarhead, I couldn't help but try and figure out why. Being able to rub a few brain cells together, I thought about how the heaters are activated by the addition of water. Since water is hydrogen and oxygen, I was willing to bet that those were some of the reaction products. I never bothered to look it up, but I did find that whatever was coming out with the steam was also quite flammable.

Once that was proven, I recalled that recently a contractor had dug a well near our work site. I ambled over and found a 3 foot long, ~3 inch diameter steel pipe that had a 90 degree elbow with a quick release cap. All that was required after that was a touch hole, added with a drill, some MRE heaters, and projectiles.

Potatoes were not available there, but fruit like oranges and pears were. I started with an orange and just jammed it into the very end of the barrel, it was too big to go all the way in, and went for it. The distance was laughable, 1 or 2 feet, but the sound? Everyone came running out of the work center tents because they thought I had just loosed a round from my weapon.

After being called an idiot by the local Lieutenant, I switch to only pears, which were easy to jam in hard enough to cut the excess off. At this point, I was lobbing pears across the perimeter road, into the scrub / minefield outside the wire. Never found a mine with it though.

All my fun ended one faithful day when I accidentally dropped a pear in front of a Romanian MP truck on patrol around the perimeter. The 50 cal on top turned to point at me, I dropped the pear cannon and walked away, never to return.


Well, I wasn't wrong about the hydrogen part: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flameless_ration_heater#Chemic...


The reason for the no-burn instruction is the magnesium. Once it starts burning, it's very, very difficult to put out.


> The 50 cal on top turned to point at me, I dropped the pear cannon and walked away

Pretty sure I would have dropped something else and RUN away


Kind of like a cat, I didn't want to tickle their predator instinct. If I was on the other side of the wire, it'd probably be a different story. Or no story.


Nothing is more dangerous than a bored soldier.


Marines doubly so.


> Romanian MP truck

Was that a MRAP (mine resistant anti potato)?


I had an amazing science teacher in high school who brought a potato cannon he had built into to class to show us. Except he called it a "sock cannon" and had loaded it with a large tube sock that he had rolled up. He explained how it worked, how he built it from a few basic plumbing parts anyone could get at the hardware store, how the fuel was just hairspray and how we definitely shouldn't build one ourselves.

Naturally, I went home and decided to construct a much bigger version of the one he showed us. After convincing my parents to drive me to the hardware store, I picked out what I needed -- including 7 feet of PVC. The clerk immediately figured out what I was building and that was the first time I heard the term potato cannon. They seemed concerned that my mom was on board with the whole thing, but I stuck to my guns and said it was a science project and was for shooting socks. I had figured I could wrap the sock around a smaller projectile, but that clerk made me realize I didn't even need the sock.

My friend and I put it all together pretty quickly the next day and set it up in my backyard for testing. I think we probably started with socks, but I honestly can't recall. What I do remember is taking a hacky-sack I had lying around that fit perfectly into the barrel to try and fire it at our back fence. We were using a piezo igniter from a lighter I had disassembled, and it took some trial and error to get the fuel to air mixture just right. It took both of us to operate: one person aimed the barrel, the other operated the trigger. This time, I was aiming and he was lighting. But it just wasn't lighting... so I turned around to try and help and BOOM the cannon went off like, well, a cannon. Except I wasn't pointing at the fence anymore, but well above it. The hacky-sack tore through the branches of several trees before exploding on the metal siding of the house on the opposite side of our block. The sound could probably be heard for blocks.

We both just looked at each other with a mixture of delight and panic before immediately running back into my house. We saw someone come out of the house we hit looking utterly confused, trying to figure out what just happened. We started laughing uncontrollably, realizing how close we were to causing a lot of damage, or possibly injuring someone.

Luckily, nothing every came of that incident, and we made sure later tests were done in a nearby park. We never did attempt to put an actual potato in the thing. Perhaps 7 feet was a little overkill...

PS - Dr. Vince, if you're out there, thank you for being one of the best teachers I've ever had. I'll never forget that class, or that "sock cannon"!


I built the fauxtato a while back; a small capsule to simulate a potato but with a 32g accelerometer (8g is wildly insufficient) and WiFi to be able to log data and make basic analyses about different cannon & fuel usage.

Really interested run some tests based on things in this thread, like different propellants.


Correction: it was a ADXL375 200g sensor


That is amazing. Can you tell us if the potato referred to in this comment [0] could have done serious damage?

[0] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=40798939#40812811


That’s really interesting, I haven’t spent much time looking at the data from the landing impact.

I’m also not confident in my skills to translate G-forces into velocities or such. I guess it depends largely on what type of surface it lands on?

You’ve definitely got me thinking now. There’s a bunch of ways I could roughly come up with a model for this.


Here are some good tips for a spud gun: - Schedule 80 PVC where possible - Use anti-static spray instead of hair spray, it's cheaper and doesn't leave a tacky combustion chamber - Put a small PC fan into the combustion chamber to mix the fuel and air, this will ensure you get a fuller combustion.

If you're an adult, you can make one out of metal pipe and use an oxy acetylene torch to fuel it. Perfect stoichometric ratio, very very energetic!


Made many spud guns as a kid. Spud mortars. It all ended when we fired a rotten crab apple, missed our target, but struck the door of a passing car. The drive chased us through the woods of our property for a while before giving up. Now my buddy works in defense lol.


Now that brings back memories. As a kid, my friends and I knew the woods/creek like the back of our hands, and there were many instances of losing a tail that way. The thing that I found the most interesting was civilian tails seemed much more engaged than the boys in blue ever did. Not sure what the civilian rationale was, but I know the boys in blue didn't want to deal with that much paper work for stupid teenage pranks.


not to avocate violence,but when i was a kid minors were basically immune to prosecution, it was also well known that when a kid got caught doing a bart simpson they would get the hell thrashed out of them until they escaped.

ideally that was supposed to quench the problem right there.

then again those were the days of a burning bagfull of [X], on the front steps type of pranks.


I feel like we would have been friends in high school


8D

Do I tell the thermite charge story? No no, not here.


Surprised to see people talking about spudguns firing whole potatoes! I didn't even know that was a thing. The spudgun I had when I was young just fired small parts of a potato, with a whole potato enough to last for ages. I think it was the Lone Star Spudmatic. Not only safer but less wasteful.

FWIW, it looks like Wikipedia differentiates the smaller spudgun from the larger potato cannon: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spud_gun vs https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Potato_cannon


Yours is definitely the spud gun I remember, and I suspect that's true for most folks of a particular age from the UK: a small die cast red gun and a monster potato to feed it ammunition.

If we're talking home made back garden arsenal, the go-to for my generation was the peg gun: https://www.instructables.com/A-Great-Peg-Gun/, which is, in retrospect, absolutely irresponsibly lethal with the right tension elastic bands.


If this is of interest, be sure to check out https://www.spudfiles.com/ - multiple types and versions of cannons, including very clever single inlet piston style ones that shoot incredibly far. Here's an example: https://nighthawkinlight.wonderhowto.com/how-to/make-powerfu...


Iv been interested in this on and off for a few years.

My most sunkworks idea was based of atechnology connections video, to use a stocheometric ratio of liquid hydrogen and liquid oxygen, dump it into a steel pressure chamber....then let the liquids convert into a gas, then detonate the mixed gas using a high voltage arc. The detonation force blows a burst disk open and blasts the projectile slug forward at what I hoped to be hypersonic speeds.

Never really got to into it though cuz I'd need some machining equipment and a budget for the materials


I wish Supah Valves [1] were still available so I could recommend them. They use a smaller sprinkler valve as a pilot to move a much larger piston based valve _very_ quickly. That lets a lot more of your reservoir pressure get to the barrel before your projectile has shot out the end. The result? More range. More grins.

[1] https://www.spudtech.com/store/index.php?main_page=product_i...


Potato cannons first inspired my love of physics. In high school I was amazed when I discovered that I could fire one vertically, time how long it took for the potato to hit the ground, and then mathematically reconstruct both the potato's exit velocity and the maximum height it reached. It felt like magic.

I ended up performing a science fair project on the effect of the potato cannon barrel length on the potato's max speed and height. (My experiments also led to a short encounter with the police, but that's a different story.)


> a science fair project on the effect of the potato cannon barrel length on the potato's max speed and height

Don't just leave us hanging out here, what was the optimal barrel length for your chamber volume?


IANAL :

Potato cannon legality https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Potato_cannon_legality

in US: bare minimum it is a dangerous device as in pelletgun or archery equipment.

how/why its used, as well as ballistic features may cross a threshold.

if you construct a firearm, you must not have legal restrictions on ownership.

if the projectile of a firearm,is an actual .50calibre or greater,that is a destructive device and you must be rigorously vetted to construct or own that


A friend of mine who is a former JPL mech engineer was working on an amazing, high pressure golf ball cannon until his city issued him a citation for his smaller gun. That pretty much ended his foray into pneumatic weapons. Shame, because his gun looked amazing. He even custom built a road case to store it all. Guy is on the spectrum and has ADHD which has resulted in some amazing, but completely over-engineered, work over the years.

He engineered his own gluelam support beams in his garage which could lift a car. He rewired his house using all stranded wire, bus bars and crimp connectors and it was all mil-spec.


I just read the US section and it seems to contradict what you just stated above. If you use incendiary tennis balls it qualifies as a "destructive device" but then it's not really a potato cannon anymore.

It also says if you use compressed air that completely disqualifies it from "destructive device" potential classification in the eyes of the law.


take note that dangerous device, and destructive device are different classifications.

"it must be muzzle loaded, not rifled, and not use any projectile which is intended to be used as a weapon."

compressed gas propulsion is not a firearm, unless it [gas] is produced by combustion or explosion of a chemical [incl. propane. ]

magazine or breech loading, rifled barrel, a cartridge holding projectile, and charge as part of design will seal the deal for definition as firearm.


In the immortal words of Bob Dylan, "Everything's legal if you don't get caught."


A fond memory I had as a teenager was making a potato cannon with my brother and dad.

The cannon was in a J shape, where the end of the J had a cap for spraying in fuel - like propane or hairspray. Near the end of the J shape we cut a hole to put in an elongated lighter.

This went against the design of the video we watched - the video suggested taking the ignition stuff out of the lighter and making it part of the canon. Cutting a hole and just gluing a lighter was the easiest option... but also caused a lot of problems - namely with ignition.

During the building of this, right as my mom came home, I looked down the PVC pipe (there was nothing in it thankfully) and asked my brother to click the lighter so that I could check to see if it was lighting or not. My father was not in the room.

This ignited the residual fuel in the pipe and burned ALL of the eyelashes off of my left eye. My father came running in and started to scold us, and then my mom came in the room asking what happened. We all hid everything, because my dad didn't want to get into trouble either.

We shot many potatoes that summer, and the whole experience made me realize how useful eyelashes are.


Fun Fact: There are Countries where Spudguns are illegal and treated like a weapons charge. Germany being one of them.


Fellow German here, I think this actually makes sense.

Primarily, unlike the US we just lack the void space. Even if you're in a "rural" area you'll still annoy dozens of people firing a spud gun with compressed air, and one fired with explosives will be thought of as someone firing guns - which is damn rare to hear, only during hunting season in the forests. The same argument also holds valid for a number of other things common in the US but not in Germany like keeping entire residential properties filled with cars in various states of (dis)repair, firing guns in general, producing nuclear waste, flying experimental planes, starting planes and choppers from anywhere else than a licensed airstrip, ...


It makes no objective sense at all, and merely reflects hypersensitive German policy regarding civilian ownership of anything resembling the means of force application.


No, it's the US gun control that is abnormally relaxed compared to the rest of the world, especially among developed nations. Not the other way around.

The reason why it's never gets fixed for the US must be that the US also has total global socioeconomic dominance and none of you guys want to rock the boat and accidentally fix that too in the process.


Id argue that it is not so much American gun control that is different but American gun culture.

The Nordic countries are not far behind on gun ownership, and I recently learned (I have my gun background from mandatory military training + farming/hunting, so mostly bolt action except in military) that even semi automatic are still very accessible than I assumed, you just need to know how.

The Czech Republic is even more liberal than that.

Several European countries also practice the storage of military weapons at home, actual full auto assault rifles meant to defend against an invader.

So again: the difference I think is more in culture than in the amount of weapons. Obviously control makes a difference as to who gets hold of the weapons, but again, the rules are pretty lax: a good reason (hunting and/or sports shooting), and, in the case of sports shooting (at least for single hand guns) a recommendation from a local club.

The American culture were guns are stored loaded around the house however and the glorification of gun violence, that however scares me.


Indeed, the United States is abnormal in the statistical sense, and superlative in the moral sense. Free men fear not to bear arms, and so this status befits us.


It's not just Germany that is very sensitive towards guns - that's an attitude prevalent on the entire continent, maybe except the Balkans and Switzerland. The UK has even stricter regulations on guns, and not just guns but also other kinds of weapons like knives.


This website was my dad’s second bible when I was a kid. He went down the rabbit hole and ended up building a massive steel spud gun that had a 10 foot copper barrel. That thing could throw a potato close to a quarter mile. Some great childhood memories right there.


Back in the late 80s in college a guy in my dorm made a combustion gun. We were watching him shooting spuds from the dorm lawn into the air not caring where it landed. Later that evening he was arrested because one spud gave the parent of a visiting student and orbital fracture 300 yards away and her eyeball literally fell out. Since he was doing it in front of the whole dorm the police had no trouble finding him. He lasted only two weeks in college no idea what happened after he was arrested. Be smart if you make one of these things they are super dangerous.


This takes me back. Dad was a plumber so I had ready access to all the gear for this growing up. I was introduced to it when he turned up at home one day with one, we launched a few spuds into the neighbouring paddock using Mum's hairspray.

I was about 13 at the time so I spent hours on this site planning different launchers. Managed to blow my friend's Dad's air compressor up while firing a smaller one. I don't know how the hell I still have all my fingers / eyes but I had some fun :)


> Took a bit of doing to code the design by hand in Notepad with all the nested tables originally, however with Dreamweaver it's only taken a few hours, not weeks.

So many memories...


I made something like this in HS out of coffee cans with the bottoms cut out in half moon shapes. Then I duct taped them all together and would put rubbing alcohol in the top, shake it up and let it evaporate, and ignite from a nail hole in the bottom can. I could launch Gatorade bottles filled with water about 100 yards. It blew up once and I never bothered to put it back together. Plus my mom was hysterical.


Ahh good memories. Over the summer in college, I made a pretty advanced propane-powered one with an integral mixing fan for the chamber and an cheap taser for electronic ignition. Fired every time. Had great fun with my roommates shooting them out into the ocean off our balcony (UCSB — how lucky we were!).

Sadly it was confiscated by the police shortly after. They drove by me loading it into my car at night. The 8ft barrel was fairly obvious...


My username comes from the fact that I built and sold potato guns back when I was in high school.

I should really write up a thread on some of the stories from those days.


Please do! Quirky fun personal websites used to be what the Internet was all about!

You have at least one guaranteed reader.


Good book on this and similar subjects - Backyard Ballistics: Build Potato Cannons, Paper Match Rockets, Cincinnati Fire Kites, Tennis Ball Mortars, and More Dynamite Devices

https://www.amazon.com/Backyard-Ballistics-Cannons-Cincinnat...


This is going to be the last week someone in this thread has all ten of their fingers, working ears, or both.


You can bet it is going to be me!


Built a bunch of these - both combustion and “compressed air” based as a teenager, with varying results.

I had been inspired by a “science demonstration” at a science fair where “Doctor Bunhead” (of “Brainiac” TV fame) shot one through a tennis racquet to make “instant chips”.


Relevant: this video with some info about dangers/safety especially related to non-pressure-rated PVC: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KqstP9ics2A


William Gurstelle's Backyard Ballistics and The Art of the Catapult were two extremely influential books in my development as a young engineering minded person. Countless hours of fun were had experimenting with spud guns of varying designs.


Adam Savage made something similar, with compressed air, for the Slow Mo Guys - https://youtu.be/w9i9rwg1L_A?feature=shared


A buddy of mine had a compressed-air spud gun that he made from an air compressor tank, a ball valve, and a length of 3" copper pipe. That thing could put dents in a 1/4" thick scrap steel plate.


Related vegetable ballistics:

Punkin' Chunkin' Championship https://www.punkinchunkin.com/


I have NEVER EVER used one of these to fire across a US Interstate at night (successfully).

Mind your PSI and test your ballistics prior to using it for more, artful, purposes.


My best friend in grade school was a bit of a deviant and we definitely experimented with these things. Very powerful!


wow this is a fancy one. the one friends & I built in high school was more simple

1) a narrow tube to put potato in 2) a larger tube for firing chamber with a screw cap 3) a sealed hole cut into firing chamber for a lighter

put potato in one end, unscrew the cap, spray hairspray liberally inside, screw cap back on, aim, and fire


>> sees link to slashdot in the header

Can we add (2008) to the title please?


The site is old-school, but don't "(year)" markings only go on articles that were published on a particular date, as opposed to websites that are modified over time?


I don't see any updates in the archive since then


spud guns are timeless


Can parts of these be 3d printed?


Theoretically yes with the right materials, but realistically 3d printing is too sensitive to safely and reliably print pressure vessels of any significant size without putting yourself in danger. Some plastics are going to have weak points between layers that could splint apart instantly and without warning, and other plastics that don't have that problem are often brittle and could throw large chunks. But pressure rated plastic pipe extrusions are fairly cheap (just be aware some are only rated for water pressure, not air pressure). And if you need something small and lightweight, pop bottles can hold up to 100 PSI. Tom Stanton's channel on youtube does a bunch of air powered RC planes and stuff using pop bottles to hold air.


Maybe external mounting brackets? Say for the ignition system or maybe a sight of some kind? I wouldn’t trust a 3D print for any of the high pressure stuff but I don’t actually know if that’s feasible. I’d love to find out I’m wrong.


If you like shrapnel.


Not strong enough


Silicon Valley, the show, is a documentary. https://youtu.be/Q1QPXyebhiY?si=5YWYlCuI2aJ2fu-l&t=474


ted kaczynski alternate timeline




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