> A natural monopoly is just a monopoly where the barrier to entry that makes a monopoly possible isn't manufactured via abuse or government (i.e. Mostly capital costs are too high to support investment by more than one or a small number of players).
That's not what a natural monopoly is. Again, go look it up. It is also not a small edge case.
> Of course all monopolies are bad.
Again, this is just incorrect. Monopolies can be the most economically efficient option, and even when they are not there are things to consider besides economic efficiency. Monopoly is not the death of innovation - in an actual free market a monopoly can never rest on its laurels or it will have new market entrants coming to eat its lunch (and we see this in the real world, eg Myspace or Kodak). Certain anti-competitive measures that can be used to create monopolies are very dangerous to competition, but that is a different matter.
> We are talking about government here. How bad something is isn't an argument for not doing something, it is an argument for priority. If your position is labor unions aren't as bad as X so we should sort X and then break up labor unions that's fine, but that's not what I'm hearing in this thread.
Both murder and shoplifting are crimes. Crimes are bad, both murder and shoplifting cause problems for society. Everyone will agree that murder is worse than shoplifting, but that doesn't mean murder is simply a higher priority than shoplifting, and that when the resources necessary to go after murderers are freed up that they should be applied in the same manner towards shoplifters. Shoplifting and murder, while both subcategories of the same thing, are fundamentally different and the optimal responses to both fundamentally ought to be different.
You have not established that treating corporate monopolies and labor unions the same at any point in time is a good idea, nonetheless that it is the optimal course of action.
> If your company is unionized it faces a monopoly on labor and can only hire union for the areas that are unionized unless the union allows non union.
That's not how unions work.
> how do I sign up for this alternative non union government in my province/country?
Move to a country with laws more to your liking.
> You can have natural monopolies at the employee level, however that is pretty rare because it means that employee is almost impossible to replace
Again, not what a natural monopoly is.
> the union where X is a whole class of worker that is fairly interchangeable with a reasonable labor supply but as a class is impossible or near impossible to do your business.
That's not what a natural monopoly is. Again, go look it up. It is also not a small edge case.
> Of course all monopolies are bad.
Again, this is just incorrect. Monopolies can be the most economically efficient option, and even when they are not there are things to consider besides economic efficiency. Monopoly is not the death of innovation - in an actual free market a monopoly can never rest on its laurels or it will have new market entrants coming to eat its lunch (and we see this in the real world, eg Myspace or Kodak). Certain anti-competitive measures that can be used to create monopolies are very dangerous to competition, but that is a different matter.
> We are talking about government here. How bad something is isn't an argument for not doing something, it is an argument for priority. If your position is labor unions aren't as bad as X so we should sort X and then break up labor unions that's fine, but that's not what I'm hearing in this thread.
Both murder and shoplifting are crimes. Crimes are bad, both murder and shoplifting cause problems for society. Everyone will agree that murder is worse than shoplifting, but that doesn't mean murder is simply a higher priority than shoplifting, and that when the resources necessary to go after murderers are freed up that they should be applied in the same manner towards shoplifters. Shoplifting and murder, while both subcategories of the same thing, are fundamentally different and the optimal responses to both fundamentally ought to be different.
You have not established that treating corporate monopolies and labor unions the same at any point in time is a good idea, nonetheless that it is the optimal course of action.
> If your company is unionized it faces a monopoly on labor and can only hire union for the areas that are unionized unless the union allows non union.
That's not how unions work.
> how do I sign up for this alternative non union government in my province/country?
Move to a country with laws more to your liking.
> You can have natural monopolies at the employee level, however that is pretty rare because it means that employee is almost impossible to replace
Again, not what a natural monopoly is.
> the union where X is a whole class of worker that is fairly interchangeable with a reasonable labor supply but as a class is impossible or near impossible to do your business.
Again, not how unions work.