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> Did someone give you the impression that cars without FSD have ever been safe?

Did I say anything resembling or implying that? I don't think so.

> Most dangerous way to travel, full stop.

I love a quote from a famous driver, paraphrasing: "Racing is some people knowing what they're doing driving in a closed circuit. Traffic is the same, but with people who don't know what they're doing".

On top of that, I had enough incidents to know that what humans can do in traffic. They make good stories though.

> I don't think a perfect safety record is possible.

Me, too.

> Only better than what people currently accomplish given the inherent unsafety of the whole system.

I think cars with driver monitoring is more secure than cars with FSD or hands-free driving. I love to drive cars with lane hold, adaptive cruise and driver monitoring, because these systems improve safety and augment humans at the same time.

I don't believe that AI and/or computer vision is close to matching human perception and reasoning to handle a 2ton steel box like humans. Augmenting humans' capabilities is a far safer and reliable (if not unsexier) way.

> the cars would be on rails.

I love trains to death, but they're not perfect either.




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