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you really enjoy paying each month for access to your passwords? really?



One of the reasons for bad software products & corporations taking advantage of users is this free loader mindset.

What exactly is wrong with paying $10 per year for a well done product?


You get 1P for $10/year?

I'm willing to pay for a lot of software, but the costs are certainly real (especially in aggregate), and I try to be mindful of whether it is worth it to me. I would definitely pay $10/year for a password manager. I currently pay $36/year. Would I pay $100? No. But I'm not sure where the cutoff is.

And then I have to do this for every pricier piece of software. (For all of the lower-cost, one-time payments, little apps, etc. I just pay and move on.)


If it were $10, we might have a conversation.

I paid for my full version of 1Pass way back when, and upgraded all the way through to v7. It was a one time fee and used until they broke it.

I never said refused to pay for it, but a monthly fee in perpetuity is just ridiculous to me.


I don't use. One pass, I use Bitwarden.


congratulations. this particular thread is about an app called 1Password.


I'm still on v7, what did they break?


They disabled autofill in the Firefox/Chrome extensions and won't provide an older version that worked or even a download of the 1P7 app.


Turns out I'm actually using 1P6 on mac, and autofill does still work. Here's the download for the 1P7 standalone app https://1password.community/discussion/129962/download-1pass...


I do. It is a critical software for me. Why would I use something inferior?


> really enjoy paying each month for access to your passwords?

When it comes to a password manager, I appreciate having constant access to updates. That isn’t feasible for one-and-done code.

That said, it’s 1Password’s bugginess that will have me looking at Apple’s offering. (Particularly how it performs on non-Safari browsers, e.g. Orion and Firefox.)


I used it with my family and it's worth paying monthly for it. Passwords are so incredibly important. If I was hit by a car tomorrow, I know a huge chunk of my life is there for people to just pick up.


> If I was hit by a car tomorrow, I know a huge chunk of my life is there for people to just pick up.

My wife and I have talked a bit about this recently but haven't implemented anything yet. (I use 1Password, and she doesn't have access other than a shared vault, and vice-versa with iCloud passwords.)

One thing that gives me a bit of hesitation is from a security standpoint - if we have access to each other's accounts and one of us falls victim to, for instance, a password-manager-level phishing scheme, the fallout from both of us having to recover from that at the same time is dramatically more of an inconvenience than if only one of us is affected.

Happy to hear from anyone else who's thought about this and any approaches they may have been taken - there doesn't seem to be much discussion about it online.


If you're worried about banking passwords and accounts, those shouldn't be shared logins. Banks in the US have specific procedures for handling the death of account holders, and someone logging in as the deceased is problematic. Beneficiary designation and percentages needs to be followed, and if a spouse/other logs in and starts moving money around, all that has to be unwound.

My break glass implementation is a printed sheet of all my financial orgs and account numbers (including bills I handle). All the beneficiary designations are done, so my wife would just need to give them the death certificate and she'd have control of the funds.


The information in 1PW is the most important information I have. I have a Yubikey because of that.


Yeah. I want to pay the people who look after the thing that stores my most precious information. I want them to be overpaid and look after their golden goose.

It seems nuts to me that you expect someone to provide you a service for free?


I never said free. Did I? Just because someone is revolting against rent seeking companies vs building a solid product and increasing users this forum likes to denigrate them into being freeloaders. You've got the wrong idea and are running with it in the wrong direction.


> vs building a solid product and increasing users this forum likes to denigrate them into being freeloaders

The point is maintenance is an ongoing expense. Pretending it can be baked into a one-off purchase price is nuts, unless one is willing to buy that software caveat emptor, as in if it has a critical bug, sorry, you need to upgrade to have safe software.

For a game, that seems fine. For a password manager, obviously not. That said, enough people don’t like this to give Apple an advantage in amortising payments that users cannot.


Again with this made up concept that I wanted a pay once notion. I kept upgrading with their releases until they went SaaS and removed the ability to store the data locally. If they continued to offer local storage with paid upgrades, I'd continue paying and using. They don't, so I'm not.


I just checked it on my device in airplane mode: everything is available locally and new records can be added. What do you mean saying you cannot store the data locally?


with v8, there are no more local vaults stored on my machine with other devices syncing via WLAN. it's all cloud accounts or bust


Understand. Both your user needs and their approach to the product are reasonable in this regard. It looks like you are simply no longer their target audience and need different product.




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