On: It is time for more holistic practices in mental h...

[ungamedplayer]

I sometimes am tempted to do the math to determine what kind of life we would have if we did everything we were supposed to do.

[vasco → ungamedplayer]

If you believe in determinism you already are doing everything you were supposed to.

[PartiallyTyped → vasco]

> supposed to

That assumes there’s intention and that we are “guided”.

I think we just are.

[vasco → PartiallyTyped]

You're adding that in. If I drop a ball it's supposed to fall, it doesn't mean gravity guided it.

[PartiallyTyped → vasco]

The ball is not supposed to do anything, the ball has no intention. The ball just is, and it follows the laws of physics.

[vasco → PartiallyTyped]

I think you're only aware of a narrow definition of "supposed to", you're saying the same thing I am.

Edit: to expand a bit. My point is exactly that - if the universe is deterministic. This only applies up to the limit of precision that it can use to calculate its own physics laws but otherwise it should be deterministic. And within a deterministic system all objects are supposed to do certain things, according to the laws that govern them. There's no ulterior moral "supposed to" in the way I'm using the word, which I think is valid usage but I'm not native.

[PartiallyTyped → vasco]

I see; then I concur.

Even within a non deterministic universe — physics suggest it isn’t — there’s still no room for anything outside physical laws.

[jahewson → vasco]

What if it was pre-determined that they would not believe in determinism?

[caskstrength → ungamedplayer]

A very boring kind.