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You seem super confident that there have been zero similar attacks that achieved their goals without detection. By definition, almost anyone who pulled off this kind of thing would try really hard not to burn that backdoor by being super obvious (for instance, using it to deface a website). We literally would not know anything about it, in all likelihood. Therefore I feel like it’s a lot more intellectually honest to say we have no idea if that has happened elsewhere, than it is to confidently proclaim that it certainly has not just because it’s been a month since xz.



What I'm argueing against is absolutist fear-mongering statements such as "every contributor is dangerous".

I'm not confident about anything, but anything could happen or have happened all the time. We need to operate on the reality that exists, not the reality that perhaps maybe possibly could perhaps maybe possibly exist. And we certainly shouldn't be treating anyone sending you a patch as a dangerous hostile actors by default.


You seem to think that vetting contributors or reviewing all code commits for malicious actions or code is some unreasonable ask. That should be standard practice.

If someone is getting angry that you actually check their code for vulns, or that you don't let them make changes to certain core areas of a large app without establishing some credibility first, you probably don't want them working on your project.

You can be welcoming AND cautious at the same time.


It has been standard practice for decades. Sometimes this goes wrong, because everything can go wrong. It happens. Casting doubt on any contributor, any maintainer, and any long-term maintainer with fantastical stories is just throwing shade. Of course no one can be trusted absolutely; that has always been true for anything from software to child care to launching nuclear bombs. Anyone and anything can become suspect if you analyse things with enough of a suspicious mindset.


It's literally not fantastical.

It literally just happened.

And no, being cautious is never throwing shade, unless you're doing it in a discriminatory way, like assuming that Chinese or Russian contributors are more dangerous.




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