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[hinkley]

They did a lot of different experiments with JIT as well, though I don’t know how much made it into other toolchains. In particular J9 was a sort of moral equivalent of PyPy.

On the downside they are materially responsible/accomplices to the crimes that are J2EE and XML ALL THE THINGS.

[foobarian → hinkley]

I don't begrudge them XML even if I don't like how it looks. Json still doesn't have a matching schema story.

[pjmlp → hinkley]

J2EE was created by Sun, based on a Objective-C framework.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Distributed_Objects_Everywhe...

JSON and YAML keep trying to re-invent the nice tooling ecosystem from XML, badly.

[hinkley → pjmlp]

Sun Proposed J2EE (and made a mess of it) but what it is and what it has been had a lot of chefs.

IBM had a lot to do with both XML and J2EE being used in the most Rube Goldbergian senses possible. They didn't invent XML either.

[pjmlp → hinkley]

Lots of companies had a lot to to with J2EE and XML, they are both standards, designed by a consortium of companies.

Sun, Oracle, Weblogic, IBM, Red-Hat, Rational, Microsoft, Pivotal, Apache Foundation,....

And if I have to chose between XML, endless annotations, anemic JSON, YAML spaghetti, I will take XML, thank you very much.