Yep, that's what I was getting at. Whenever I mention censorship-resistant file sharing tools on here, somebody comes along and says, "bah, those are useless, they're full of nazis and child molesters". It's an endless catch-22: if really bad people can't evade surveillance, neither can you. And if you can, then they can, too. When most people hit that realization, they say, "yeah, ok, whatever, 24/7 surveillance is fine as long as it catches bad people too."
> When most people hit that realization, they say ...
I have to say this is not my experience at all. In fact I can say I've probably never met anybody who came to that conclusion.
In my experience, most people recognize that, yes, bad people should be caught, but also that widespread surveillance and erosion of privacy is both bad for them and society. The problem arises with the fact that people often have more pressing matters to them - such as feeding their family - so they don't have time or energy to worry about fighting the myriad systemic issues that is needed to fix things on the necessary societal level.
I do not blame people for this, and nor should you; all that does is antagonize people and increases their reticence about politics in general.
> they say, "yeah, ok, whatever, 24/7 surveillance is fine as long as it catches bad people too."
So you should continue the discussion like this: those bad people after 24/7 surveillance have no other option to infiltrate the surveillance caste. That's where things will get really hellish.
