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shepherdjerred · 2024-04-03T16:28:23 1712161703

There are certainly times when killing is justified. Defeating the Axis in WW2 is a great example of this.

mulmen · 2024-04-03T18:47:29 1712170049

Hundreds of thousands of innocent civilians died in strategic bombing campaigns to achieve that outcome. Do the ends justify the means?

shepherdjerred · 2024-04-03T19:29:44 1712172584

Yes, without shred a doubt or hesitation.

Germany and Japan were killing millions of innocents in WW2. Not only that, but those killings were entirely unnecessary.

At least with Israel I can give some of the benefit of the doubt that their civilian casualties have some strategic outcome. You cannot say the same of Germany and Japan in WW2.

(please be charitable to the above; there is a lot of nuance here; I don't want to explicitly spell it all out. look at my other comments if you want to know my views)

mulmen · 2024-04-03T22:06:02 1712181962

I believe the Allies could have defeated the Axis with less collateral damage.

The ends were admirable. The means are debatable and in some cases regrettable.

actionfromafar · 2024-04-03T21:12:52 1712178772

It's just that I fear their strategic outcome will in the end become a net negative, for everyone.