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How much do you pay for internet? Maybe you should be directing your ire elsewhere.

I currently pay $60/month for 600 down.

An ISP that actually struggles to provide 100mbps down at a reasonable rate, today, is simply one that refuses to update their hardware. 100mbps is not hard to achieve with semi-modern hardware.

I know of ISPs servicing remote small communities with 1gbps down at $100/month. 300 down for $30/month.




It is really frustrating. I live in a US city (close to the city center) where my options are Spectrum or AT&T. AT&T still only provides ADSL (recently updated to 30/10). 5 years ago, AT&T tore up our street and laid fiber. 3 streets over, fiber is available, but still not on my street.


It’s less a hardware problem and more a medium problem; to go over 100Mbit/sec reliably you’re realistically looking at fibre (or maybe coax, but coax isn’t particularly cost-effective or practical in the rural areas that tend to have problems in this direction.)


DOCSIS has been able to push 100Mbit/s over coax for nearly 2 decades.

Hanging fiber isn't really a complex process anymore anyways. We already run power to basically everywhere people live so hanging some fiber as you go isn't that hard. Electric coops have been receiving federal funding to hang fiber in even the most rural areas for the last 8-10 years with great success.


Oh, sure, but deploying high-speed DOCSIS only really makes sense relative to fibre in _relatively_ dense areas; it’s not a particularly sensible solution for rural ones.


I live in a rural area.

Fiber is not available here, and without significant extra pressure from the government, probably never will be.

We've had internet through Spectrum (and before that Time-Warner) since we moved here a decade and a half ago. 100Mbps has been available that entire time. I don't know exactly what all the available speeds have been at any given time, but in about 2017, we upgraded to 400Mbps, which we still have. It's not always the advertised speed, but it's almost always above 100.

I think your understanding of this technology and the practicalities of implementing it may be misinformed or out of date.


I have direct family members that own and operate rural telephone companies. I'm well aware of the practicalities of maintaining technology standards.

Rural telco is heavily subsidized already. To the point where I've literally personally done a run of Internet to a mountain house in the middle of nowhere.

The issue is that bigger telcos like spectrum and time-warner, simply do not care.

There's a reason Google was able to start doing urban fiber installation (which is more expensive than rural installs) and they were able to advertise $100 1gbps speeds 10 years ago. That wasn't all due to deep pockets.


I...did you miss the part where I said I have Spectrum, in a rural area, with over 100Mbps speed?

Like, I can totally believe that there are places where they are perfectly content to shrug their shoulders and ignore entire populations (I actually know of some not too far from here). But to say that as if it's a universal constant is patently false.

Regardless of what the particular geographic parts of Spectrum you're familiar with do, it is demonstrably possible to get 100Mbps+ internet service over coax in rural areas, from them specifically. Thus, to say that you're "realistically looking at fiber" to go over 100Mbps doesn't hold up.

If you want to just bump that up to 1Gbps+, instead, your statement will hold pretty true.


Huh? Business class coax in my area is 1 Gb down. And yes, it does reach those speeds. Are you thinking of DSL?


Is this a relatively urban area, though? Generally, high speed coax networks these days consist of a relatively short, often shared stretch of coax, connecting back to a fibre-optic node. You’re looking at something like this: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hybrid_fiber-coaxial#/media/Fi...

If the premises served are low-density enough, you may be looking at only one or two per coax section, and at that point you’re probably cheaper just using fibre to the premises anyway.


Ah I see what you mean now. Yeah, it's most likely fiber backbone and coax last mile. I thought you meant it was a limit of the physical medium.




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