On: I spend £8,500 a year to live on a train

[ithkuil]

> he didn't pay for

hey, he paid for it! They gave him an unlimited ticket in exchange for euros.

You're free to say that the train company shouldn't have created an unlimited ticket but it's unfair to paint a person who uses what he legally bought as a thief.

[MagnumOpus → ithkuil]

Read the comment again - he pays for one seat, he sleeps across 3 or 4.

[landgenoot → MagnumOpus]

You are not paying for the seat, but for the journey.

Go ahead and try to get a refund when you don't have a seat on a crowded train.

[jstummbillig → landgenoot]

While that is true (if you don't have a seat reservation) you are prohibited from occupying more than one seat per DB ToS.

"Each passenger is only allowed to occupy one seat [...] Passengers who behave contrary to the above regulations, ignore the instructions of employees or otherwise pose a threat to safety and order can be excluded from transport or further transport without entitlement to reimbursement of the fare and baggage price."

Translated from https://assets.static-bahn.de/dam/jcr:82c5f579-c786-41dc-abf... (Page 20, 6.1)

[truculent → jstummbillig]

Is he really occupying more than one seat if there’s nobody else there to take the remainder?

[Cheer2171 → truculent]

Literally yes he is. You can argue about whether this should be enforced, but by the text of the contract, it is not allowed.

[rusk → Cheer2171]

Fair use IMHO IANAL

[6510 → rusk]

You can use as many as you like until instructed not to.

[rusk → 6510]

If you weren’t meant to do it they’d have countermeasures to prevent you

[myk9001 → truculent]

Does a falling tree in a forest make a sound if there's no one around to hear it.

[carlhjerpe → MagnumOpus]

If you're on a flight and there's a free space next to you, would you say you're wrong if you occupy it by stretching your legs?

[red-iron-pine → carlhjerpe]

sure. once you take off, you're not getting more people on until you land.

by that logic, you have until the next stop, and then any claim you have to a seat is forfeit.

[_visgean → MagnumOpus]

if they are empty what is the deal? If somebody books the ticket he will be asked to move to his seat.

[hobofan → MagnumOpus]

Read the comment again

> with the low occupancy of the train, this is not a problem whatsoever

[ithkuil → MagnumOpus]

ah that's what you meant

well I'm pretty sure if those seats were taken he'd sleep in its own seat. Perhaps his equation would change if had to sleep upright every night, but still, there is nothing illegal

[SergeAx → MagnumOpus]

He paid once for an unlimited journey ticket. He gets either a seat for a day ride or a couch for a night journey.