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For the hacker minded electronics geek, you can build out the same utility of the Flipper for pennies on the dollar from components if you can solder and write a bit of software in C or even Micropython. SDR is a pretty big hobby.

This move is really akin to banning a Hello Kitty Lockpick set after discovering most locks are snake oil, instead of demanding reasonably secure locks be sold instead.




If you actually know where to find a Hello Kitty Lockpick set please post a link. I know some people who would be very interested!


That is true you can cobble shit on a breadboard. And it's highly non-portable and extremely anti-usable.

Having a simple nice form-factor for something that can do under 1GHz am/fm, BTLE, IR, dallas 1wire, and pinouts for expansion in a simple smaller-than-cellphone device is pretty sweet.

Sure, script kiddies will be script kiddies. And sure, they shouldn't do bad shit, but they will. It's also your responsibility to run reasonably secure stuff.

And no, the FCC won't help you. You're not big money like cell, digital TV, or avionics.

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EDIT cause of too many comments bullshit:

This conversation chain is sure sounding like https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=9224 , the whole "dropbox is inferior to FTP". We all know how that worked out.

Having done actual RF, electronic, software, and encasement design - it's nowhere as simple as "cobble it and 3d print a case and done". If it was, we would have seen a Flipper Zero like thing ages ago.

Prove me wrong. If it's that simple, point me to a blog or github that you execute on all the assets within a week. (because it aint)


> That is true you can cobble shit on a breadboard. And it's highly non-portable and extremely anti-usable.

For the kind of person who does that putting it in a 'ok' case is not that much work...


The case is not trivial, not crazy, but not trivial. It's also the least hard part about putting together a similar package. A non-EE type person could probably get some dev boards from sparkfun/adafruit, and connect them up to a raspberry pi with some sort of display with some buttons. But that last mile of getting them to play nice, not be a massive battery hog, and have simple/usable software is man-months of work. This also assumes you have a passing knowledge of circuits and are decent enough programmer to get a job, neither of which are low bars

This is likely @pierat's point: sure, it's possible, but your diy version will be objectively worse in a variety of ways while also taking you a pretty long time to put together.


I agree, the skill acquisition time and effort would keep out script kiddies and normal consumers, but there's a large number of people who do have these skills, especially on this site.


Especially since many likely have a 3D printer, or a friend with one.


> That is true you can cobble shit on a breadboard. And it's highly non-portable and extremely anti-usable.

I've already done basically this level of stuff for my own custom bluetooth mechanical keyboard projects (a keyboard is larger overall, for obvious reasons, but the space beneath it where you can fit electronics is quite limited) and I've made a few resin cases for other electronic hobby projects. The software side of the Flipper is much more time investment but still something I could do if I was fully motivated and had no other obligations getting in the way. Or I would just cheat and specifically use the same STM32WB55 microcontroller and re-use the existing Flipper's firmware directly. Designing a case and a PCB for something of the Flipper's complexity is really not that hard. A day or two each.

Honestly, I find the Flipper's case to be pretty poorly designed for actual usability, it's mostly just directly exposing hardware externally in as small of a space they could get away with, it's a complete pocket brick otherwise. It's a striking visual design with the angles but actually kind of terrible at slipping in and out of your pocket and is awkward and clumsy to use one handed or subtly. Cell phones (at least up until very recently) carried similar radios, IR blaster, SD slots and ports in much better and smaller form factors, and are so normalized in public use that it might have flown under the radar both in consumer's eyes and regulator attention if it wasn't actually so visually distinctive.


I'd be highly interested in a cheaper DIY version, even if it were slightly uglier or bulkier. I don't feel I could do it well from scratch, but a tutorial or even a kit (like truSDX).


I'd be highly interested in an aliexpress version that has the same features and is software-compatible but at 1/5 the cost.


I own a 3D printer, and have a couple Raspberry Pis and breadboards in a closet somewhere. But there’s no way I’d have the time or inclination to put everything together in a way that is actually worth it over just paying $169 for a flipper. Someone already posted it but this reminded me of the “I don’t get the point of Dropbox when we already have FTP and CVS” comment from 2008.


FTP and CVS in 2008...Please remind us about this discussion in 2040!


But that's kind of the point, isn't it?

If you have the skills to build a GHz SDR from components, and write some C to attack a car starter, you probably have better ways to make $2k than stealing a car. Evilduck obviously has better things to do.

Releasing a Hello Kitty SDR makes these attacks practical for a much less capable population who actually will go steal a car.

I can testify that the bike theft industry in Toronto was driven by one mad genius for a generation. Igor Kenk was like a spiderman villain. He ran a vertically integrated business: providing specialized tools for cracking locks; training on their use; and then providing coke/crack directly for stolen bikes eliminating the cash-handling risks of the business. Just a total mad Chad.

If Flipper enables another guy like Kenk to build an empire of idiot car thieves, I can understand the butt-hurt.




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