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It's not just EMR, it's just capitalism in general. Everything is about squeezing the most value out of the least budget.

If there was a way to factor in costs due to downtime, poor usability, anything like that, might be able to push back and bake some of that in to begin with... but even that is a can they'd kick.




I totally disagree except to the degree the provider is broke, close to broke in which case capitalism can yet help. When you're worried about money one may manage for money the exclusion of all else. It's a distortion only not a counter argument for capitalism.

The issue, ultimately, is crappy management. The need for, the good outcomes that could be achieved profitably, are insane in possibilities. Many country's demographics now include a lot of retiring people.

I continue to think basic TQM (which has gone out of vouge unfortunately) would help a lot.

Look at psychology in the US: a lot of providers will not even get involved in the insurance side of the equation. Patients pay cash. The patient is stuck with the insurance and re-imbursement, if they can figure it out.

The supplier side --- medicine and insurance and to some degree politicians --- made the paperwork system extremely bad. Simplification and elimination have got to be on the table.

Part of the problem is the patient is dis-intermediated The supplier deals with insurance directly --- hospitals in the main:

* the supplier can bill the patient's insurance wrong, for the wrong procedure, for stupid high amounts, and so on. The patient is not empowered to push back on that because the patient doesn't hold the checkbook

* hospitals and outpatient stuff like MRIs etc. don't publish a price list for the patient. Granted this is changing slowly. But why has that taken so long? Because the patient doesn't have the checkbook so why bother? Payment is done out of sight between the supplier and insurance company. It doesn't matter what the customer thinks.

The stuff where capitalism works better is when the customer knows the price, the supplier has no choice but to be upfront about it, and the customer will fire the supplier, refuse payment, or dispute payment for crappy supplier quality. The supplier can't get payment no matter what if the customer isn't going to provide it. Conversely, the supplier can refuse service for bad customers. This way both parties are encouraged to act smartly.

If I could wave my magic want I'd like to see a scenario in which,

* Customers pay insurance premiums to insurance companies in return for a bounded amount of access to a cash account.

* The customer must deal with out-of-pocket and co-insurance to eschew abusing the insurance company, fraud, and feckless spending. There must be bounded access to cash so the customer prioritizes what needs work and what doesn't.

* The supplier presents the customer with an itemized bill

* The customer --- and only the customer --- pays the bill electronically to the supplier through the insurance company's B2B payment system.

* Patients must get involved in, and start owning up the fact they can't refuse to take a zero on the dollars and cents of the care they're getting.




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