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Watching the clip, the improvements he's talking about are great and very welcomed. Is this a case of any change being considered bad because you're used to how things are?



Only supporting grouped taskbar icons is a big inconvenience when actually trying to do work. Instead of clicking directly on the taskbar item which corresponds to the window you want to access it requires that you hover over the icon, then try to pick out the window you want from a very small thumbnail of it. This just adds extra time and unnecessary thought into this process. It's also quite bizarre given that wide monitors are more normal these days with plenty of space to have a long taskbar with many items on it, but instead you only get some short icons in the centre.

This may have been fixed in recent versions where they finally added the ability to change the taskbar grouping in the settings, but I haven't felt the need to test it.

Also the new start menu is a pain in the ass as the quick launch area is just an alphabetic list of applications and/or documents with no ability to group them in any other way. In Windows 10 you can group related applications together and have quick access to "secondary" applications that you might want to use. (I pin "primary" applications to the taskbar and pretty much always have them running anyway). To get to all applications there's another click where as in Windows 10 you just start scrolling as they're just there (maybe that's an option I enabled but it works well).

Those are the two general gripes I have with the new taskbar and start menu in Windows 11. Maybe I'm used to my setup in Windows 10 but I didn't see anything wrong with the way things were from a design perspective. So the change seems kind of arbitrary just to make it look more like OSX rather than from any functional perspective.

One point that I think more technical folks should consider is if we are actively harming our desires to have a functional UI design by disabling telemetry. As that tells the people at Microsoft what features people actually use, and if they only get telemetry from non-power users then they're going to prioritise for them and remove "unused" features that us technical folks use all the time.


>This may have been fixed in recent versions where they finally added the ability to change the taskbar grouping in the settings, but I haven't felt the need to test it.

THANK YOU. I never heard about this, I had completely given up on using the taskbar for anything except the system tray.

I agree to the rest of your points -- I only use the start menu to search for stuff now. The pinned icons take up way too much space and even though I spent some time carefully curating them I never seem to want to use them.

You didn't mention the system tray, but I want to add that the redesign also made it worse than in Win10. The volume, battery, wifi, etc icons are joined into one button but actually if you right click they are three different buttons still. This is awful design, the fact that you have different options depending on where you right click is not communicated at all.


I think it was 23H1 or 23H2 update that added the taskbar grouping option back.

I've also not used Windows 11 in many months so I've probably forgotten a few other annoyances.


This isn't about "change", they just removed some essential functionality that I use daily since 1995.

Besides from being used to it, it is also required for my work to have wide, labeled, ungrouped application buttons instead of icons that are oftentimes barely distinguishable.





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