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The United States spent 6% of its GDP putting human beings on the moon. And this was done during a time that historians don't generally consider to be a time of vast deprivation for the populace; it turns out investing in and inventing rocketry and aerospace technologies the likes of which humanity has never seen before is great for job creation.

How much of the GDP should we be willing to spend to actively replace pollution generating energy plants with lower polluting alternatives?




> The United States spent 6% of its GDP putting human beings on the moon.

Sorry, wrong. The Apollo program cost about $25B in 1960's dollars. That's over the entire period, not just one year.

https://www.bbc.com/future/article/20190712-apollo-in-50-num...

"In 1965, Nasa funding peaked at some 5% of government spending,"

But government spending != GDP.

According to this,

https://www.macrotrends.net/countries/USA/united-states/gdp-...

GDP in 1965 was $743B


My mistake. Amortizing the numbers, it comes out to more like 2.5% annually. https://www.herkulesprojekt.de/en/is-there-a-master-plan/the...

... so the question stands. How much are we willing to spend, and do we think it will actually damage either the economy or people's quality-of-life (when having a major industrial project in fact creates job and business opportunities, historically speaking)?


Clever of you to acknowledge but then glide over the wild exaggeration there. Still wrong, though:

https://www.statista.com/statistics/1022937/history-nasa-bud...

1965 NASA budget in billions: $5.25 (the peak year)

1965 GDP: $743 billion

giving us a NASA budget of 0.007 of GDP, or 0.7%


Apollo project is generally considered to have cost $25 billion, not $5 billion. Still, if we consider 0.007 of GDP in modern numbers, that's 2.65 trillion (2023) * 0.007 --> $18 billion.

The fossil fuel industry receives $760 billion in subsidy. We're already spending more on energy; we're just spending it on the wrong energy.


You need to just admit error, not pivot.

5B is for 1965 alone, the peak year. As I said.

25B is the total over all years.


Error admitted.

Now about the point, which is "How much should we be willing to spend on something that may be life-or-death for much of humanity?"

Because, again, $760 billion in fossil fuel subsidy. A tenth of that for renewables.


OK, thanks.

It was pretty easy to look up NASA budgets and GDP's. I haven't studied energy subsidies, though, so maybe someone else wants to jump in.


Pollution will be in every path we choose, managing the waste is the quest and i dont think that direct government intervention is the best or most practical way here. IMO regulations and sanctions would be better. Eg. imagine the EU or US enforcing fully repairable or recyclable products in their markets. What would china do?


> imagine the EU or US enforcing fully repairable or recyclable products in their markets. What would china do?

What, you mean like the existing WEEE directive which requires all electronics to be lead-free and recyclable? China would, obviously, start selling repairable and recyclable products into those markets.


No we didn't. Not even close.




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