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> If Twitter would not pay Amazone I think it might even somewhat fall under competitive distortion/unfair competition.

It’s “unfair competition” for a company to use its own servers to host its own business?




More like Google sweetening the pot for Play store with ad sale discounts, less like Microsoft having the audacity to bundle IE with the OS. If AWS was Twitch Web Services it would be OK. But Amazon is not Twitch so it is anticompetitive.


This is not at all how it works.

Twitch giving money to Amazon is just a number in a computer somewhere.

Even if the government "forces" them to change those numbers on a computer, there is nothing stopping Amazon from just giving twitch more money to fund it, if they knew it were "profitable".

The real reason is that twitch buys AWS services at cost with zero profit to anyone, and even at those low prices it still can't make money.

Twitch is doomed.


How do you know Twitch is "buying" AWS servers so cheaply though?

Anyways, infrastructure costs is not as important as market share in the long run, bandwidth and transcoding costs will go down with time. If you build a platform where nobody has grounds to compete with you like Twitter, (Threads tried), you've got something really valuable - maybe not 44 billion worth but still.


Every internal departments budget is charged for their AWS services

The citation below isn’t entirely true, internal departments aren’t charged “retail” prices. But they are charged and if you have multiple accounts opened testing different releases of an open source “AWS Solution” in multiple regions that uses the then $5K a month Kendra service along with largish ElasticSearch, you will show up on the naughty list (ask me how I know)

I’m no longer an employee if AWS

https://www.lastweekinaws.com/blog/the-aws-service-i-hate-th...

> When internal game development teams use Isengard accounts, they must pay (via internal accounting) the same rates for AWS compute cycles that outside retail customers pay, according to people close to the teams


Yeah but Twitch is so big it would never pay retail rates to any cloud service, even given the rates for the bulkiest users. And because it's Amazon owned it's not a question of going to AWS but how much they'd negotiate. So on paper Twitch can lose them money but Amazon makes money through AWS.

YouTube is break even and imagine how much content is uploaded and stored there per second, forever. Twitch VODs are deleted after 2 months. Most streamers don't even get any viewers. Those that get viewers get people paying real money on top of ad spam. The numbers don't really add up like how Amazon often pays $0 in tax.


So now you’re saying a company is not allowed to branch out and have any other applications on their own servers?

Should Microsoft also not be allowed to host online Office on Azure?


If Office and Azure are operate by two companies owned by Microsoft instead of MS directly then MS the one operating Office would have to pay the one operating Azure for the hosting.


AWS is not a separate company and even if they were, there is nothing stopping one company from negotiating with another company for special negotiated rates.

You don’t think Netflix is paying rack rates for AWS do you?


no AWS _is_ a different company then Twitch, Amazone owns Twitch but Twitch isn't Amazone.

and yes you can always negotiate rates but it has to be in some "reasonable boundaries" so Twitch still has to pay Amazone and Amazone can't just set the price to just the cost Amazone has, even less so below.


This is not in any way shape or form true.

When you go into the internal “phone tool” if you work for Amazon, AWS, Twitch etc you still eventually get to the same CEO.

(Former AWS employer)


you are aware that twitch still has its own CEO right?


And Jassy was also the “CEO” of AWS before he became the CEO of Amazon.

And when I went to my phone tool, he still reported to Bezos at first




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