> getting them more involved in the day-to-day work of programmers.
Just a point. Getting people involved in the day to day of programmers, or really any one building things is exactly what works. The more management know, the better they are at unblocking problems, or steering people onto the correct task. It's magical thinking to heap crap on managers and expect that devs or welders will just build the correct thing.
I take it you’ve never been micromanaged. Management well done doesn’t equal just more of it. Organizations in trouble often just reach for exactly that and in doing so make things worse. Better can mean doing more in some places, but things don’t automatically improve by adding more management.
Just a point. Getting people involved in the day to day of programmers, or really any one building things is exactly what works. The more management know, the better they are at unblocking problems, or steering people onto the correct task. It's magical thinking to heap crap on managers and expect that devs or welders will just build the correct thing.