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SF Bay Area is an outlier for electricity pricing, average US rate is less than half that according to: https://www.bls.gov/regions/midwest/data/averageenergyprices... and off-peak rates are typically less than average where time of use metering is in effect (my off-peak rate is less than 1/3 of your rate). My family's EV costs about 1/4 to 1/3 as much per mile to fuel as our ICE (and I typically drive the EV with more spirit). For me, over 100k miles, I expect to save about $10k in fuel costs. I agree that the savings isn't as substantial to you because of your extremely high electric rates, but for many, a standard model 3 or y will offer lower TCO than a camry.



All of California is an outlier, but here we are with 10% of the US population.

I live in Ventura County and the cheapest my electricity gets is around 33 cents per kwh. During peak it's a whopping 60 cents per kwh.

I also assume that chart includes baseline credits and averages out the tiers - your first kwh is cheaper than your 600th kwh. Any brand new EV charging will be charged at your top rates and be more expensive than what those averages represents pretty much everywhere in the US.


> I live in Ventura County and the cheapest my electricity gets is around 33 cents per kwh

If you have an EV (or some other devices), you can qualify for the TOU-D-PRIME plan which gets you $0.23/kWh[1]; at this rate, for my car usage patterns, the Tesla Model 3 is a clear win over any car more than $25k or so. If you have solar, you can drive the prices even further down (I offset basically all of my 2022 bill, but 2023 was cloudier and rainier than typical and so I'm doing worse this year).

[1]: https://www.sce.com/residential/rates/Time-Of-Use-Residentia...


TOU-D-PRIME rate is a god-send compared DTO what PG&E gives its EV owners.

Here the EV time of use rate is 50-60 cents per kWh between 3pm and midnight and 34 cents the rest of the day.

Without spending another 10-20k on Solar, EV is a losing proposition at these rates.

In California of all places


Wow that blows. I'm on TOU-D-5-8PM because I work from home, and in a place that can have warm summer nights.

I stop work at 5pm so I can power down my computer before electricity gets expensive.

And 8pm works great for us because in summer it can be 70 degrees overnight, and the kids start going to bed at 8pm so I can cool down the house a bit without paying crazy prices for that.

I do a lot of thermostat trickery in the summer. During the day we set it to 76, from 4-5pm set it down to 72 (to avoid running in the expensive hours), then we raise it to 78 from 5-8pm, then we set it down to 74 at 8pm.


“For many” outside of California that is :)




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