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Most people dont drive these cars on tracks. They drive them in cities and motorways, which in Europe force you to drive the same way you’d drive a Corolla. It’s not just mechanics that lack. Plastics come off and have nothing to do with track driving. The spyder or the 981 equally suffer from roofs and door panels simply ungluing. Mechanics are as bad as the Cayenne’s engine blows up just by looking at it. All in all the myth is gone, these cars are not what used to be. Well the porschea boxster and cayman were infamous for ims issues, oil leaks, and various other non essential mechanics failing. Marketing is one thing, real life is another.



A performance car doesn't magically get reliable just because you drive it slow- usually the opposite actually, you get carbon buildup issues, timing chain wear issues, etc. if a motor engineered for high RPM reliability is driven gently, or worse, lugged frequently at low RPMs.

I mentioned IMS issues elsewhere in this thread, but I think you're also being disingenuous with the Cayenne.

The Cayenne is a pretty darn impressive vehicle- a full sized SUV that handles well enough to be fun on a race track, and yet also does incredible offroad. It has a lot of engine options, and while some of the earlier high performance V8 engine options had issues, most of them are very reliable. It does pay for all of that performance and capability by being pretty complex, but it's also very well built. As the older Cayennes have become cheap, there's a big following now of people doing serious offroading in them, and the suspension, body, and interiors really hold up well to hard offroad use.

I would say Porsche engines tend to have new design flaws when they do a ground up engine redesign cycle, because they are really pushing the limits with new ideas and tech, and they get reliable again after a few years. Most other car companies pretty much avoid doing that, or doing it as often, because they aren't trying to extract as much performance.


> They drive them in cities and motorways, which in Europe force you to drive the same way you’d drive a Corolla.

Expand, I'm interested. I mean, my thought would be, Germany is the land of the no-speed-limit autobahn, the US was 55 everywhere until recently.


There are some segments of autobahn in Germany where there is no speed limit. There are many segments where there is a speed limit, varying from 80 mph to 60 mph, especially in or near cities where most people live. There are many segments where there is dense traffic or road construction. You can't just speed through those areas at 160 mph while shouting "out of my way, peasants!"


But realistically it doesn't mean that an average Porsche owner does nothing but speeding on Autobahns. Similarly lots of people in the US drive pickups but only a tiny portion of them actually use them the way they were meant to be used


If they ever built a car more reliable than the 981/991 generation, I don't know what it is. They were regularly beating Lexus on quality surveys at that time.

What was your experience, and with what model(s)? Sounds like you got burned.


>They were regularly beating Lexus on quality surveys at that time.

Not saying that Porsche didn't improve their quality a lot, but it was Lexus that really dropped the ball there.


No kidding. Can you imagine the meetings at Lexus HQ that must've followed those survey releases...




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