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AlbertCory · 2023-12-12T16:35:35 1702398935

Samsung is an Android partner. Google already indemnifies them for patent infringement, so no surprise there.

Tencent is from 5 years ago, and it gives no details on how many patents are involved.

SAP is from 9 years ago.

Cisco is 9 years ago as well. I was in Legal for that one. It took months of negotiating.

Note there is no cross-licensing deal with Apple, Meta, Oracle, Microsoft, or Amazon.

beambot · 2023-12-12T19:09:46 1702408186

So you're saying: Clearly not an urban myth.

Google literally bought Motorola for their patent portfolio -- or at least, that's the only "asset" they retained when divesting of the company years later. And I readily admit: Google is a "be less evil" player in this respect. (But not all: See wage fixing collusion verdicts.)

At some point, we have to acknowledge that patents are pursued purely in the spirit of mutually-assured destruction from other litigious players. This manifests as a tax on everyone -- the only people that win are attorneys.

AlbertCory · 2023-12-12T19:46:36 1702410396

So now you're moving the goal posts. Now it's MAD (which I don't deny). I think we're done here. You're also bringing up irrelevancies like wage fixing: true, but not patents.

the claim was "they cross-license." As I said if you read, the myth is "plausible" but not "confirmed."

yes, there are some cross-licenses. No, they are not universal. I gave examples of obvious ones that nevertheless don't exist.

On Motorola: I'm afraid I have to claim superior knowledge on that one. At the time, Google was actually hiring patent acquisition people, and in fact, I was interviewing them. They probably fell for the myth that you fell for.

They stopped that pretty quickly, when it became clear that most of Motorola's patents were worthless. I've looked them over myself. They were worth less than nothing: it meant that suits against Motorola now had to be defended. In other words, it was a big mistake that they undid.