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[konschubert]

You can bring abundance to the world as a for profit entity.

The exchange of services and goods in a market is positive-sum.

[NeutralCrane → konschubert]

> The exchange of services and goods in a market is positive-sum.

As long as you ignore externalities, yes.

[konschubert → NeutralCrane]

Even if you consider all externalities, trade is positive-sum.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zero-sum_thinking

[greenie_beans → konschubert]

i'm legitimately trying to understand your position. can you please explain to me how trade that contributes to climate change is positive sum?

[konschubert → greenie_beans]

Why should all trade contribute to climate change?

If I have a solar panel factory, and I sell you a panel, so you can make green electricity - isn't that good for you, me AND the planet?

[greenie_beans → konschubert]

lol ok. dunno if you're trying to deflect or genuinely being serious.

[konschubert → greenie_beans]

What is your point again?

[greenie_beans → konschubert]

i'm curious to hear an argument about how trade is always positive sum like you claimed with this comment:

> Even if you consider all externalities, trade is positive-sum.

even if the business pollutes the environment or contributes to climate change in an outlier way?

[konschubert → greenie_beans]

I didn't say that all trade is positive-sum. I said that some is.

You're arguing a straw man. Which means your reading comprehension is bad or you're intentionally mudding the waters. Either way, I think we're good here.

[greenie_beans → konschubert]

you clearly said "trade is positive sum" multiple times. you never qualified that only "some is" until now. pretty sure my comprehension is spot on.

and i'm not arguing anything. i'm asking a question. in which case, ironically, your reading comprehension missed that.

[dgb23 → konschubert]

Free exchange obviously and provably is, but that's not _quite_ what's going on. I see a rapid trend towards regulatory capture, monopolization and setting up to siphon out money. All from the same few actors. And if history around tech hype serves us well, then we should be wary of a large, inflated bubble that is going to burst eventually, even if useful things are created meanwhile.

[konschubert → konschubert]

It’s sad and disheartening to me how controversial this is.