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With the way they fired him and the statement they made, it's hard to see how any of the remaining four could stay on if he did come back... as was previously mentioned, if you shoot at the king, don't miss.



At least the 3 independent members will be gone. Either will try to burry the hatchet with Ilya or he leaves as well.


Good. Two of them aren't even qualified to be on the board of a kid's lemonade stand.


Assuming you don't mean the insiders or the Quora CEO, which aspects of these remaining backgrounds do you find unusual for a Silicon Valley board member?

Tasha McCauley is an adjunct senior management scientist at RAND Corporation, a job she started earlier in 2023, according to her LinkedIn profile. She previously cofounded Fellow Robots, a startup she launched with a colleague from Singularity University, where she’d served as a director of an innovation lab, and then cofounded GeoSim Systems, a geospatial technology startup where she served as CEO until last year. With her husband Joseph Gorden-Levitt, she was a signer of the Asilomar AI Principles, a set of 23 AI governance principles published in 2017. (Altman, OpenAI cofounder Iyla Sutskever and former board director Elon Musk also signed.)

McCauley currently sits on the advisory board of British-founded international Center for the Governance of AI alongside fellow OpenAI director Helen Toner. And she’s tied to the Effective Altruism movement through the Centre for Effective Altruism; McCauley sits on the U.K. board of the Effective Ventures Foundation, its parent organization.

Helen Toner, director of strategy and foundational research grants at Georgetown’s Center for Security and Emerging Technology, joined OpenAI’s board of directors in September 2021. Her role: to think about safety in a world where OpenAI’s creation had global influence. “I greatly value Helen’s deep thinking around the long-term risks and effects of AI,” Brockman said in a statement at the time.

More recently, Toner has been making headlines as an expert on China’s AI landscape and the potential role of AI regulation in a geopolitical face-off with the Asian giant. Toner had lived in Beijing in between roles at Open Philanthropy and her current job at CSET, researching its AI ecosystem, per her corporate biography. In June, she co-authored an essay for Foreign Affairs on “The Illusion of China’s AI Prowess” that argued — in opposition to Altman’s cited U.S. Senate testimony — that regulation wouldn’t slow down the U.S. in a race between the two nations.

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The question wasn't whether this is scintillating substance. The question was, in what way is this unusual in Silicon Valley.

The answer is that it's not.


>She previously cofounded Fellow Robots

Near as I can tell they never actually launched a product. Their webpage is a GoDaddy parked domain page. Their Facebook page is pictures of them attending conferences and sharing their excitement for what Boston Dynamics and other ACTUAL robotics companies were doing.

>she launched with a colleague from Singularity University

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Singularity_Group

Just lol.

>then cofounded GeoSim Systems

Seems to be a consulting business for creating digital twins that never really got off the ground.

https://www.linkedin.com/in/tasha-m-25475a54/details/experie...

It doesn't appears she's ever had a real job. Someone in the other thread commented that her profile reeks of a three letter agency plant. Possible. Either that or she's just a dabbler funder by her actor husband.


Lol. You literally know nothing about this person other than what you found online. She could be brilliant or offer a perspective the business needs.

Suggesting that some inarguably brilliant technologists and business people would invite a moron to crash their party makes you look petty (at best) and like an idiot (at worst)


Don't you think it's weird that maybe the most important company in 2023 has people with no documented experience on its board?


I'm ambivalent because I don't know what the board and executive team are trying to accomplish.

And neither does anyone else on this forum.

The Monday morning quarterbacking is hysterical.


Treating the non-profit OpenAI board like the board for a regular for-profit is weird.

This isn't just a non-profit holding company for tax purposes - the whole thing is structured with the intent of giving the non-profit complete control over the for-profit to help achieve the non-profit's charter.

The board being full of typical business people would likely be counterproductive to the goal of staying focused on the non-profit charter vs. general commercial business interests.

I don't know enough about most of the board to have any sort of real judgment about their ability, but there's a lot of comments here that are judging board members based on very different criteria than what they were actually brought in for.


I can't believe I'm going to write this.. but:

So what? Regardless of launch/no launch, the company was a flop. This is a cheap shot. Just because someone was successful in the past (or not) is not an automatically relevant signal they'll be a great fit when placed in a different domain. Sometimes they have other relevant background and experience, and other times... Maybe they're just connected. What is the level of scrutiny of qualifications in other companies, even public ones? When looking closely at other companies, I've noticed board compositions can vary substantially. As outsiders, we're undoubtedly missing part of the context about what is relevant (to the board) or not.

Suggested reading: Black Swan by Taleb.

p.s. I am not partial to anyone involved, especially clueless board members. I found this comment annoying due to the breathless, baseless, and flawed logic. What was this supposed to add to the conversation?


> So what? Regardless of launch/no launch, the company was a flop.

Nothing wrong with that but a company like Open AI which is literally changing the world does not have a board member who is qualified to be in that position.


Where is the companies or skills from here? I see a list of made up foundations or "centers" doing 0 valueable things

Why do we need some moral superior person from some university to "think about safey and OpenAI" and not find it out ourselves?

What a clown company

also

>And she’s tied to the Effective Altruism movement

ah where SBF was involved. what an achivement


How are you finding it out by [yourself]?

Did you find out e.g. Facebook will do the damage that it did and continues to do in social terms?

Have you done anything or has Facebook changed its way based on your ‘findings’?

The choice here is: does capital coupled with runaway egos provide better stewardship of socially impactful technology development or paper pushers or CIA plants?


I'm with you on the overall read of her resume, but "believes in <principal> that <bad person> believes in" isn't fair criticism.


I agree, but it's a difference believing in a concept vs engaging with persons in that same area. and together with everything else, that just seem to be half political organizations to farm funding from governments or ESG VCs, it doesn't look very good to me

She just sounds like a typical Silicon Valley trend grifter


They were both on the board for the Centre for Effective Altruism.


>> And she’s tied to the Effective Altruism movement

> ah where SBF was involved. what an achivement

At least she wasn't a vegetarian. Hitler was a vegetarian. That would have been the final nail in the coffin


Maybe she is.


the question is more , did she go to "world vegetarian meetup" every week where Hitler also was and took selfies

anyhow , I still don't see what the impressive things is by working at all those fake companies/think tanks not doing real work


Yeah, at least SBF managed to spin up a $20 billion dollar ponzi scheme.

Sure, it's incredibly psychopathic, but it's still an achievement!


FTX wasn't a Ponzi scheme per se. SBF committed fraud by saying they had risk controls in place when they had an exemption for his hedge fund: Alameda Research. FTX could be viable if it let Alameda fail.


Alameda played a significant role in propping up the value of FTX through their investment in FTT. Worth questioning how much FTX would have been worth if it hadn't been for various tricks like this.


None of that sounds like actual work or results. It's just a bunch of empty business speak. They are definitely not qualified to serve on the board of a company like OpenAI.


Would Altman's bio be any more impressive if framed the same way? A trash tier startup, failing upwards to a VC, and starting one of the sleziest cryptocurrencies around. Sure sounds like no actual work, qualifications, competence or results.


Their achievements are already framed in their best light.

Hopefully you're able to tell the difference between serving as CEO or president of real reputable companies (the "trash tier startup" still exited for mid-8 figures) versus what looks like being a figure head for fake companies.


He was president of YC, I think it's fair to say people will think he's got a better set of credentials on a YC forum than some omg-ai-is-dangerous-please-fund-me think tank thinker.


> "a company like OpenAI"

Maybe the problem is the meteoric rise of OpenAI--at the time this board was instituted, the company was much smaller, and wouldn't have been able to draw a more illustrious set of board members?


Didnt they have Elon Musk and Jessica Livingston as founding members, their social network would have someone with more credibility to be on the board compared to the current members.


Both those resumes read as not being unqualified for the job, but their primary qualification is being women.


None are out of the ordinary. It’s like Steel Perlot. It’s an indulge-the-wife tchotchke company position. There are lots of these for the wives and girlfriends of successful people.

Just a sinecure and someone you trust for some other reason. But you’ve got to trust them.


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Without commenting on their competency as board members...

Describing Tasha McCauley as "an actor's wife" feels a bit sexist. She's apparently a scientist and founder of a (failed?) startup.

Is there any evidence Helen Toner is a "Chinese spy"? (having lived in Beijing isn't evidence)


Looking at their CVs, they're more qualified than some rando on the internet. So from my point of view, they look more qualified than you, DebtDeflation, rando from the internet.


The GP never claimed to be eligible to serve on the board, so the attack is unwarranted.


It's perfectly warranted to call someone out on a claim that board members wouldn't qualify for a kid's lemonade stand.


I don’t need to be an Olympian to know that my kid isn’t ready yet.


An even better example, as someone that also could not do a trick in a half pipe: https://deadspin.com/the-winter-olympics-feature-2-951-of-th...


Adam has competing interests. It's hard to see why he is even allowed in non profit board. And for other two members, their profile seem pretty weak for being in a board of one of most important companies in the world.


Quora dataset is worth a hell of a lot. That said, I completely agree with you. He should be ousted.


Serious question, can't they just scrape it? They haven't needed permission to scrape the rest of the internet, have they?


Hard to see Ilya staying if Sam returns, honestly.


Ilya is the only one worth keeping around if Sam returns mercifully.


I highly doubt he will stay if that happens.


I agree. Just saying that there's only one person worth mending fences over.


I'm sure he'll be fine, and well compensated and able to do what he wants elsewhere.


What he wants is to control global AI development. He just lost that battle.


What he wanted was to do AI development at a larger scale than what universities and corporate R&D teams were doing. Or so he says:

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=38325407

Having shown this was possible, he could easily go do it elsewhere.


And oh boy, did they miss! There’s going to be a many of chapters written about this in textbooks.


I doubt he comes back. The entire board that voted him out would have to resign. And that’s not going to happen on a non-profit.




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