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One might say that the existence of a doubter or rejector lends the story authenticity.

After all we have doubters and people who betray for money today in all walks of life.

What's even more noteworthy about miracles is the report that some of those who had the miracle applied to, who were healed even some of them didn't believe or even say thanks! The point of the miracle maybe was not really to make people believe... it's a mystery to me.




>> Judas's story is a big point in supporting my atheism ,

> One might say that the existence of a doubter or rejector lends the story authenticity.

The story? Certainly!

Evidence of that specific god? Not at all (it's actually the opposite).

Let me put it this way:

You get told a story about how someone, $LEADER, had millions of people following his proposal to get rich, hanging on his every word, believing his every utterance, because he claimed to have the people's interest at heart.

Believable? Maybe.

Then you get told that one guy from $LEADER's inner circle, who saw every thing that $LEADER did, and heard everything that $LEADER said, stopped believing that $LEADER was, in actual fact, capable of doing what he said he could do.

Believable? Sure, much more than before.

But .. that still doesn't provide any evidence that $LEADER was, in fact, who he claimed to be, nor that what he claimed was true, nor that he believed what he claimed to be true.

In fact, it's just the opposite - we now have more reason to believe the story, but disbelieve the claims of $LEADER.

Replace $LEADER with SBF and the context with cryptocurrencies.


>One might say that the existence of a doubter or rejector lends the story authenticity.

Not for me, if someone that was in the inner circle and witness so much did not believe then expecting me to believe this stories is too much. Anyway other issue I have are the contradictions with the reality and that the God morality is incompatible with my morality so even if he existed 100% I would not worship him.


Your point about morality reminds me of Stephen Fry's attitude (which I share)

https://www.theguardian.com/culture/2015/feb/01/stephen-fry-...

>In his imaginary conversation with God, Fry says he would tell him: “How dare you create a world in which there is such misery that is not our fault? It’s not right.

>“It’s utterly, utterly evil. Why should I respect a capricious, mean-minded, stupid God who creates a world which is so full of injustice and pain?”

>Pressed by Byrne over how he would react if he was locked outside the pearly gates, Fry says: “I would say: ‘bone cancer in children? What’s that about?’

>“Because the God who created this universe, if it was created by God, is quite clearly a maniac, utter maniac. Totally selfish. We have to spend our life on our knees thanking him?! What kind of god would do that?”




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