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Those are all really good questions, but at the end of the day they don't really matter and are a matter of semantics. You could similarly ask is there anything that isn't life. Is matter a prerequisite for life? What about voids in the matter of space that shift and change over time? Is empty space alive?

You could Define life broadly to include Stars or mountains, but then you just look for a new subset and name that would include life more similar to our own.

One definition of life that I think resists scrutiny is an object or unit which contains a transferable data and an algorithm to use that data. This would separate a cloud from a tree.




it doesn't distinguish you from certain reels of punched paper tape though


The viruses are considered to be alive, I don't see why tax forms wouldn't be alive either.


I think the reference was to a Turing machine, in response to your mention of transferable data and algorithms.


no, i meant literal punched paper tape, like the kind the homebrew computer club swapped tiny basic implementations on

tax forms are similar but you can debate whether the algorithms are really in the tax form or in your head


That's a really good point. Some of algorithm for decoding virus data is outside the virus too. Maybe that is a good argument they aren't alive


there's a sliding scale, a tiny basic interpreter doesn't explain the addition and subtraction algorithms it uses either, relying on the cpu hardware for that


So maybe to be alive you can't use any external interpretation. It pushes the threshold up, but basically all cellular life decoders it's own DNA. The environment is just materials and I formation. No decoding


you run into the reprap vitamin problem: is vitamin b12 'just materials' or is it 'decoding'? but afaik all cellular life encodes its own ribosome proteins in its dna or rna, rather than harvesting ribosomes from prey, so in that sense it encodes its own decoder

would a hypothetical https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mycoplasma_genitalium variety that harvested ribosomes from eukaryotic cells no longer count as 'alive'? it's already an obligate parasite

how about https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nasuia_deltocephalinicola? it depends on its insect host for atp


I think you could argue that b12, ect are just materials in the sense that the consumer is not providing inormation for its manufacture.

In this case where manufacturing instructions are transmitted, you could have a system where neither component is consider alive by itself, but the system is.

One cell with DNA only, and another with ribosomes only would not be considered alive. However, a multicellular combination of them would be alive.

Obligate parasites will be alive in some cases, and not in others, depending on how they handle stored data (DNA), and what they rely on the host to do.


Homoiconicity at the molecular level. LISP in a jar. Go Forth and multiply.




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