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And what their shareholders borrow against the value of their inflated shares and never have to pay income taxes? Seems almost like a national bust out based on the article definition.



This bugbear has never made sense to me. Such a loan has to be paid back. With dollars. Presumably, from income that is taxed. And, with interest.


No. It's taxed as capital gains.

Dividends are income.

You pay 50% less federal tax.


Either I'm missing your point, or you are missing mine.

Any loans that the ultra-rich take out against their assets to fund their lifestyle, are going to have an associated interest rate, and a payment schedule. If they don't want to default, they'll need another source of funds to make those payments.

IF that source of funds for load servicing is a salary, they'll be paying income tax (income) + interest payments (loan).

IF that source of funds is dividends, then they may be cap-gains or income, depending on qualification status.

In either case: there is..

* A limit to how much can be borrowed, before the loan payments outstrip the loan-funding income or qualifying dividends

* In the case of income, they are still generating an income tax liability to service that loan, and also paying interest on top of it. Paying 124K/year for 10 years to pay off $1M at 4.5% means they fell into the 24% bracket for 10 years ($297.6K tax total) , rather than 37% in 1 year ($370K tax total). So while it does appear to create a tax savings -- even with the 4.5% loan interest -- funding life with loans is not the absolute "never have to pay income taxes" that my PP described it as.

Clarifications / corrections welcome.


You don't need to buy, borrow, die.

A lot of people sell stock at capital gains, and get taxed at capital gains rates instead of income.

You're making it more complicated than it is.


I agree with you, that one can live on cap-gains until the assets run out.

I was replying to birdyrooster, who said

> borrow against the value of their inflated shares and never have to pay income taxes

... which is not about selling stock.


Only a minority of shareholders do this.

Source: If a company's executive takes a loan against their shares, it's disclosed in SEC filings.




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