Riff: A “mycelium-clj” for the Clojure ecosystem?

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https://www.evalapply.org/posts/mycelium-clj/index.html

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I definitely believe Clojure needs a rails. Not only will it help beginners get started, if it can help people get started faster and build fast like Django and rails do, I think it'll help more with adoption.

Biff and fulcro seems like they have a shot at this

Biff- https://github.com/jacobobryant/biff

Fulcro - https://github.com/fulcrologic/fulcro

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The idea sounds really cool, but I still feel like there should be a default way of doing things for the beginners, so they can start learning Webdev and not spend time setting up.

And more fine grained recommendations for the expert.