> I'm all for freedom of speech, but forums dedicated to driving people to commit suicide go far beyond that.
The claim that Kiwi Farms is a forum "dedicated to driving people to suicide" is patently false. It is rhetoric created by people campaigning to get it removed without due process by painting its owner and users as cartoonish villains.
Kiwi Farms has thousands of threads discussing people from all ends of the spectrum, including apolitical figures. You can go there yourself and see how diverse the users and their interests are.
The site is literally about stalking people and documenting their personal lives for the sake of mockery. The users are cartoonish villains, and I'm not sure how you'd get any other impression after spending a few minutes there.
> The site is literally about stalking people and documenting their personal lives for the sake of mockery.
You're half right, though I'd disagree with literally stalking — at the very least, there's variety and nuance. There's such a large variety of people discussed on the forum that I don't think you can make a blanket statement like that.
Is watching every video or stream from a content creator and posting in a forum mocking them "stalking"? Is digging through someone's old Twitter posts stalking? Is noticing that a person used the same username on multiple websites (some potentially embarrassing) stalking? Kiwi Farms defense is that it's all publicly available information, often published by the people they're mocking.
That's not to say that I agree with or cosign their behaviour. All I'm saying is that there's a large chasm between what people think Kiwi Farms is and what it actually is.
Wading through each and every single thing a person has done in their lives to mock them is stalking, yes. Even if we pretend it isn't for a second it means that the person who is being followed is now forces to look at every interaction, no matter how innocuous, under the lens of "How will Kiwifarms react to this?" Can you meet a friend without them trying to dig up information on that friend? Can you apply for a job without HR finding a thread of thousands of posts talking about you? Probably not, and that has life and mental health ruining consequences.
Its patently obvious you agree with their behavior but lack the fortitude to admit it.
>Can you meet a friend without them trying to dig up information on that friend? Can you apply for a job without HR finding a thread of thousands of posts talking about you?
How would anyone on the internet know about this if you don't post about it?
So if you go to, say, a friends birthday party you should first go round to each and every person there and ask them not to post any pictures with you on FB?
People should be able to live their lives without a morass of deranged lunatics tracking them everywhere.
> Is watching every video or stream from a content creator and posting in a forum mocking them "stalking"? Is digging through someone's old Twitter posts stalking? Is noticing that a person used the same username on multiple websites (some potentially embarrassing) stalking?
> broadly : a crime of engaging in a course of conduct directed at a person that serves no legitimate purpose and seriously alarms, annoys, or intimidates that person
> Stalking is unwanted and/or repeated surveillance by an individual or group toward another person.[1] Stalking behaviors are interrelated to harassment and intimidation and may include following the victim in person or monitoring them.
> Cyberstalking is the use of the Internet or other electronic means to stalk or harass an individual, group, or organization.[1][2] It may include false accusations, defamation, slander and libel. It may also include monitoring, identity theft, threats, vandalism, solicitation for sex, doxing, or blackmail.
> there's a large chasm between what people think Kiwi Farms is and what it actually is.
There's a large chasm between what you think the word stalking means and what it actually means.
I am. The fact you refused to answer any of the questions and threw generic definitions at me kinda proves my point.
Is any unwanted attention stalking? Is a journalist stalking someone if they go through their trash? What about when the paparazzi do it? Did that kid stalk Elon Musk?
> Is a journalist stalking someone if they go through their trash? What about when the paparazzi do it?
Uh, yes. If someone is going through my bins to find information about me, that is most definitely stalking. What some paparazzi do is definitively stalking.
> Did that kid stalk Elon Musk?
I don't know enough about that to comment, but quite possibly yes.
You are making false statements about kiwifarms and denying the existence of illegal conduct that happened on the forum. Linking to it from HN will get my account banned though.
The claim that Kiwi Farms is a forum "dedicated to driving people to suicide" is patently false. It is rhetoric created by people campaigning to get it removed without due process by painting its owner and users as cartoonish villains.
Kiwi Farms has thousands of threads discussing people from all ends of the spectrum, including apolitical figures. You can go there yourself and see how diverse the users and their interests are.