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Besides what others said, it gets extra spice from the fact Russia failed to do the same just days ago.



Russian space program is a shadow of what it once was. Their history is full of daring missions and extraordinary achievements. I wish they would engage in a space race than in a war.


American space program is a shadow of what it once was. Their history is full of daring missions and extraordinary achievements. I wish they would engage in a space race rather than constant illegal, brutal, destructive and absolutely unnecessary war.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_wars_involving_the_Uni...


It isn't really the gotcha you think it is when you see Falcon 9s flying and landing multiple times a week, the most advanced conventional rocket engines ever being mass produced, two scifi-esque lunar landers under serious development and all the other things.

The American space program is far and away the world leader by a huge margin, while almost 2 decades ago things were dicey, the current Ameircan space program is definitely befitting of its glory during the mid/late 19th century.


I agree with everything you wrote. But you missed my point - America has an incredible space program despite their wars. If wars were the cause of space program degradation, Russia would actually be ahead.


I'm not a supporter of war mongering by any country. And what I hoped for Russia is what I hope of the entire world. But the assumption that the impact of their war efforts on their economy are similar is completely wrong. Russian economy is in shambles due to it while America goes on as usual.



Ah, yeah not much arguing with that.


Might be time for China to reconsider its role with Russia in future manned moon missions. Any prestige the Russian program once had has long since faded, even ground operations at Baikonur are now at risk with equipment being impounded by bailiffs from Kazakhstan to service billions in debt.


Russia retains an (rapidly diminishing) edge in certain areas of space. One of them is engine design. China is still keen on buying the best Soviet engines, namely Energia's RD-170 and its variants but of course Russia is less than keen on parting ways with them.

Even CALT, the major launch vehicle provider in China, admits it will be well into the late 2020s/early 2030s before they can get an engine as good as the RD-170. Their YF-130, while technically very good according to recent tests, is still a bit less efficient. Think about that, a 40 year gap. Aerospace is hard.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/RD-170


I'm surprised that the Atlas V's first stage has these Russian engines.


Using Russian engines, like the ISS collaboration was an attempt by the US to keep soviet rocket scientists in business in civilian roles so they wouldn't be incentivized to spread around the world proliferating ICBM tech.

In the process the US paid a huge price (decay of domestic design capability) and it's debatable if the goal was achieved.

Edit: Thankfully the decay has been made up for over recent years with the boom in private launch companies and of course, SpaceX's work.


Very interesting, do you know where I can read more about that?


This feels like a good writeup untainted by more recent events on the US-Russian cooperation https://www.nasa.gov/sites/default/files/atoms/files/partner...


Not as "cool" as the SpaceX stuff, but Angara, Amur, Soyuz-5, Soyuz-7 are all in the works.


Coincidentally, China's first Mars (orbiter) mission Yinghuo-1 failed because it was hitchhiking on the Russian orbiter Fobos-Grunt that failed in an Earth orbit. India launched an orbiter soon afterwards and became the first country to get it right in the first attempt.


Russian space program started with killing a bunch of cosmonauts they pretended never existed…


They also created a bunch of tech that Americans thought impossible at the time - especially the staged combustion cycle with oxygen-rich preburner. And the American space programme too had its share of human losses due to sheer hubris - the 2 shuttle disasters included and possibly Apollo 1 as well. Let's not understate the achievements of the Russian space engineers and the bravery of their astronauts just because of the current political situation.


And the BRICS summit is going on right now... What a powerful display of softpower.


Modi will be soft landing in his chair with a smile at the BRICS summit.


Speaking of that, was that another failure of a modified Fregat or am I just too dumb to speak on this topic?


Agree.

The quicker russians will get rid of putin infestation the sooner this disgrace will end.


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Nationalistic flamewar will get you banned here, regardless of which country you have a problem with. No more of this please.

https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html


Thus the joke that Russia's history can be summarized as "and then it got worse".


Lots of people could say the same about Biden or _____ leader.




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