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Would add that many cities around the world are struggling with an increase in homelessness and drug use.

So whilst SF has its own issues it is far from unique.

The rise in global inflation, decreasing home affordability and stagnant wages has resulted in more people struggling.




I believe the situation in SF is rather unique relative to anywhere else in North America. Even PDX isn’t that bad.


$687 a month to be homeless, near perfect weather, and all the drugs you can consume right outside your side sidewalk tent.


Do cities in Western Europe and Nordic countries also have this issue? I frequently hear they have excellent social support that prevents this. But, I haven't seen data either way.


Apparently is was awful in the 80s due to the heroin.

Nowadays there are state run drug consumption rooms:

https://www.emcdda.europa.eu/topics/pods/drug-consumption-ro... https://www.theguardian.com/world/commentisfree/2018/nov/21/...


I don't know the full extent of the issue in San Francisco.

But there is an increase across not just Western Europe but Australia, Canada etc. And not just homelessness and drug use but upstream factors like inequality, poverty, cost of living etc.

So many people have been living on the poverty line that it doesn't take much to push people over.


Advanced Asian cities which combine rapid zero tolerance policing with the resulting social conformity don’t have these issues. There has been a rise in drug abuse but it tends to stay out of the public view, again due to policing.

I remember visiting nyc and seeing people shooting up in the street while the police were watching. Obviously the problem is lack of enforcement- and if petty crimes aren’t enforced even with just small punishments, then more serious crimes accelerate.


> if petty crimes aren’t enforced even with just small punishments, then more serious crimes accelerate.

For readers who run across this, this is referred to as the Broken window theory:

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Broken_windows_theory

And despite the commenter stating it as fact, both here and elsewhere, the idea is very much controversial, and far from proven.


You may be misunderstanding his point.

I think he's pointing out that people who commit serious crimes usually have a prior history of smaller, petty crimes that they were not given meaningful punishment for.

The data certainly supports this observation, and I can dig out supporting evidence if it's in doubt (at least in NYC, Dublin, and London. I'm not familiar with SF).


> You may be misunderstanding his point.

No, I'm not. He specifically mentioned broken window theory elsewhere.

> The data certainly supports this observation,

There are multiple interpretations of the data, and the Wikipedia page I cited goes through the many possibilities.




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