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And this is exactly why companies protect their trademarks. A site called discord.io which offered services on top of Discord but wasn't affiliated with it in any way (but tricked users into believing so by using its logo and screenshots) should have been nipped in the bud a long time ago.



Apparently, this sort of thing happened to Mr. Beast with regards to Mr. Beast Burger. Even though his agreements/contracts forbade the company making the virtual restaurant supplies from doing so, that company trademarked his likeness and brand in half a dozen foreign countries. He's currently suing them for damages, and for not paying him the agreed amount for his participation. (Apparently, they had paid him $0!)


Did Mr Beast not realise that creating thousands of ghost restaurants would be a bad idea?


He created the idea at the beginning of the pandemic. His thought process was that the Mr Beast brand would allow smaller stores to carry his product and incentivise people to buy take out from those shops and help during lockdowns.

I don't believe the contract between him and VDC is out outlining the contractual obligations, SLAs, trademark and marketing issues etc.


There was an explicit agreement that VDC was not to trademark his brand/likeness. They just went and did it.


Is there anything particularly wrong with a delivery-only restaurant? That is the standard definition of “ghost restaurant” I know of.


Not really anything super wrong with it, other than perhaps it would be harder to air grievances with them because there’s usually nowhere to go, and QC issues.

“Ghost Kitchens” have a more nefarious connotation than “delivery only” though because often it will be a single kitchen yet be advertised as many distinct restaurants. I saw one in one major city that was something like fifteen “different restaurants” operating from the same small space, which is sketchy.

But I think the person to whom you’re responding was relying more on the word “thousands” here. So given the connotation I think opening thousands of these things is pretty sketchy for some random YouTube personality with presumably no experience with restaurants to be opening simultaneously.


quality control


should be no different than any other franchisee. If you are worried about them ruining your reputation then you should QC them with secret shoppers, inspectors, etc.


Why are we acting like Mr Beast didn't also steal the moniker from Mr Beast (of Exit Through The Gift Shop notoriety)?


Are you thinking of Mr. Brainwash?


Yeah, they have to be.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mr._Brainwash

(Don't read if you don't want spoilers. Exit Through the Gift Shop is phenomenal and should be watched without knowing about this guy. Watch it, then read the Wikipedia article for yet another surprise.)


His name was generated by xbox for a gamertag


Who?


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In the context of "an online service for user communication and media hosting", it's valid. And thus they have one https://tsdr.uspto.gov/#caseNumber=86635386&caseType=SERIAL_...


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You seem to think that only made up words can be trademarked. You are wrong in every jurisdiction.


American jurisdiction, maybe. Under Chinese law, even made up trademarked words can be used with impunity.


Would Chinese trademark rules / laws apply here instead of US ones, at least for the purpose of UDRP domain disputes[0]?

0: https://www.icann.org/resources/pages/trademark-infringement...


Try to register a company called Apple that builds iPhone apps and you will find out pretty quick how well a sector-specific trademark can be enforced.


This is more like a company squatting an apple.io domain and redirecting to a Sign In With Apple page. I'm surprised Discord allowed it to exist.


Discord probably thought they were being nice and fostering a positive attitude towards their community. Whoops.


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The word "apple" is not trademarked. The use of the name "Apple" in connection with computers is.


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My friend, you are quite confused about trademark law.

If I try to sell computer gadgets under the name "Apple", leaving out the "Inc" isn't going to stop me from being sued.


Do you honestly believe you're making useful, helpful comments here?


You mean like “Apple”


> hard to trademark that

No, because trademarks given by USPTO apply for a specific kind of product or service. It’s never a blanket protection for all situations.

So first on Discord’s website we see info about their company https://discord.com/company-information

Discord Inc.

Discord Inc.

444 De Haro Street

Suite 200

San Francisco, CA 94107

United States of America

And then when we go and search in USPTO we can see the registrations they have for the name “Discord”

For example they have

> Word Mark DISCORD

> Goods and Services IC 045. US 100 101. G & S: Social networking services in the field of gaming. FIRST USE: 20181000. FIRST USE IN COMMERCE: 20181000

> Registration Number 6254199

https://tmsearch.uspto.gov/bin/showfield?f=doc&state=4804:5l...

And they also have

> Word Mark DISCORD

> Goods and Services IC 041. US 100 101 107. G & S: online game services, namely, providing on-line computer games; organizing community cultural events; organizing community sporting events, organizing educational seminars, workshops, and conferences in the field of communications, online gaming, online communities and social media; providing non-downloadable webinars in the field of communications, online gaming, online communities and social media

> IC 042. US 100 101. G & S: rental of computer game programs and computer game software; online game services, namely, providing temporary use of online non-downloadable game software; providing computer game subscription-based temporary use of non-downloadable game software

https://tmsearch.uspto.gov/bin/showfield?f=doc&state=4804:5l...

And they have another few as well probably. Didn’t read all of them.

With this Discord can protect themselves and their reputation within their own verticals.

Other people can still have a decent chance of being able to register a trademark for an unrelated product or service named “Discord”, as long as it is noticeably unrelated to the existing marks.

So for example maybe I could start a theatre and get a trademark named “Discord” accepted for my theatre.


You'll be surprised when you learn about "Windows"...


A long time ago I registered windowsupdate.ms and put a small timeline there about the technological advancements we've made to windows over time— from holes in the wall, to grease paper, to bullet proof glass.


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You should try to sell your "Windows" operating system. I'm sure it will work out. Or maybe ask how it worked out for the wxWindows GUI library.


Google “Trademark”


Apple has Apple trademarked. You can do that.


And Apple famously got in to several trademark disputes with another Apple: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apple_Corps_v_Apple_Computer


This is going to get harder unless the US government or US tech companies censor the Internet to block ones that don't follow US affiliated trademark law. Which I hope you wouldn't support.


That's not how it works. They just wouldn't be allowed to do business in the US, which seems reasonable.


See the sister comment about Mr. Beast.




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